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Originally Posted by countmeworthy
OBW. You know VERY WELL this forum is mainly read by former LCrs and current LCRS who UNDERSTAND the difference between being "religious" and being Spirit FILLED.
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And this will be discussed in a post that I am preparing for our blog.
We come here to point out the gross errors of the LRC and yet stand as if virtually everything the LRC stands for is correct. It would seem that the only thing wrong with the LRC for many of us is its leadership while everything else about it is actually right, all the way down to its sanctimonious, self-righteous "our way is blessed and yours is not" position.
It is evident from reading your reply that you think that the only thing about religion and even being religious is that one definition that is about man trying to get to God in his own way. That is not the only definition. And every time anyone comes to this forum or the other and says the LRC is all wrong then points to a better way to do the LRC while basically saying that the rest of Christianity still really has it all wrong, I see another version of Steve Isitt hoping that the LRC of the 60s (or whatever era that member thinks was the perfect time) will return and Camelot, that bastion of Christian perfection will once again rise from the mists of Scotland and the age can end because Christ has once again found the apple of his eye. (Yeah. I mixed a few metaphors together here.)
Argue with me all day long about how far from the LRC you have come. When you return to this kind of put down of everyone else while pointing out how everyone who is or was in the LRC knows that being religious rather than being Spirit-led is wrong, and you prove how near you are to rejoining that group or trying to create its twin sister.
I know that there are some people who do not think that I should speak this way to a sister. But when you come to speak so boldly about how wrong everyone else is, then you get a bold response. Too many here — and this includes you on many occasions — are not as much removed from the LRC as you think. Too many think that they really had it right. All the way down to the discernment about what was wrong with the rest of Christianity. Just quit saying "mooing cows" and it would all be good.
But even if we can point to certain problems with Christianity back in the days that we left — the 60s, the 70s, even the 80s and beyond — Christianity was never what it was said to be by Lee and his minions. And whatever it actually was then, it generally is not now. Like the rest of the world, it does change over time. But it is not just those changes that make Christianity "OK" to me. The real problem is that too much of the "they have it wrong" rhetoric that we learned from Lee and the LRC we have retained. We also retained the idea that the core "distinctives" of the LRC are right and that the rest of Christianity is wrong. I'm convinced that it is the other way around. And that means that there is no "this is the way" way. It means that all of the "exclusively correct" positions of the LRC that we still cling to are just as incorrect as the garbage that we fight against here.
In other words, we are mostly still in this desperate hold onto what we liked about the LRC as if it was exclusively correct and everyone else was wrong. I don't buy it any more. If you can't find the teaching moving forward in a strong and open way in Christianity as a whole, I have reason to be suspicious about its validity. Especially the kind of thing that demeans willful, systematic, even almost ritualistic efforts to be obedient to the teachings of Christ. It seems so funny that people who have concluded that Lee was wrong to just be waiting for dispensing chastise anyone who is not just waiting for something else just like dispensing. Jesus said to teach them to obey, not to teach them to wait on dispensing, or even the Spirit. But the LRC despises that part of Jesus' teachings. They only like the kind of teachings that require no actual obedience, just spiritual mumbo jumbo.
And this point will eventually be the reason that I abandon any efforts to suggest that moving beyond the doors of the LRC is not the only step. It is only the first step. I am more convinced than ever that what is actually needed is a very ritualistic house-cleaning of everything learned in the LRC. Even the good teachings were mixed with aspects of error. Learn to see the difference.
But almost everybody thinks that the LRC was mostly right. (And if the LRC is mostly right, then the rest of Christianity is mostly wrong. And I find too much right about Christianity to buy that this assessment is true.) Or they go off the deep end and are borderline-to-actual agnostics. There is another answer. But I'm not sure that anyone is listening.