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Old 05-12-2025, 09:30 AM   #12
PeterG
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Default Re: To Keep or not to Keep (Teachings)

Hi Nell, in case this post is directed at me (too):

It seems that the dissatisfaction with today’s “church” is nothing new. Should we even call Today's organizations created by men “the church”? Better question is what does GOD call today’s organizations that call themselves churches? Why do we spend so much time looking for the right man to follow?
In my opinion, we shouldn't call them church. "Denomination" seems quite appropriate to me. In Galatians 5, Paul uses the terms διχοστασίαι and αἱρέσεις, which are well translated as "divisions" and "sects."

Why do we spend so much time looking for the right man to follow?
Amen! This is foolish and misleading.

What does “lukewarm” look like?
A church should conform to the two main characteristics of God himself, his holiness and his love. The one separates us from the world, the other shows by our unity that we follow the gospel. In these two things even a church can become inconsistent, i.e. lukewarm. And what is striking about Laodicea is that it thinks, "I am rich and I have everything." Of all the denominations I know, this fits the "local churches" best. Theoretically, they really did have everything: all the achievements of the fathers and finally even the realization of the local boundries. But then they became just another denomination, and a particularly harmful one at that. Because the enemy wants to block a complete church reformation with every thing he has.

Has today’s organized “church” already been “spued” out of his mouth” or is that yet to come? When?
The most "lukewarm" state was probably already reached at Constantine. Therefore, I would personally say: Yes, it already is.

What’s more important, (1) following the “best” man-made teachings about the church, or (2) having a living and abiding walk with God himself, and learning to follow and obey him?
The second.

Isn’t that what Jesus meant when he said “I will build my church”?
No. It's discipleship. The two things are not identical!

I don’t think he meant that we should look to find the best man made organization to follow, but follow him.
I agree. But after Jesus, Paul also came along and explained to us that God wants a community that is pleasing to him. Just like in the Old Testament. We must take that seriously.

Where has following the teachings of men gotten us? Laodicea?
Yes, but not only to that. They also brought us to the Reformation and the many good recovering steps that followed. These were always blessed when they corresponded to the clear biblical evidence and believers no longer accepted that it was being "twisted" (2 Peter 3:16).

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