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Originally Posted by bearbear
The passage concerning the war between the flesh and the spirit Raptor quoted is from Galatians 5 whose conclusion includes verse 24. A war will ultimately have a winner and a loser. If the sinful nature loses the battle, the outcome will be that the person will thereby crucify their flesh with its passions and desires and thereby belong to Jesus.
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Yes, but are you missing the point? They will crucify their flesh
IF they are willing,
IF they obey,
IF they submit. Believers still have a choice. If they do, they will receive a reward. Thatīs the point of Paulīs warnings, to motivate them to choose, to obey.
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Originally Posted by bearbear
In the LCs we did not have good examples of people who had victory over sin because of doctrines like kingdom exclusion which provided people with a false assurance of salvation who were still living in sin with an unrepentant heart.
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This statement is full of contradictions, it makes no sense. By definition, "kingdom exclusion" does NOT convey a false assurance of salvation, but the opposite, it is a warning that you may suffer loss. And kingdom exclusion is not about assurance of eternal salvation or not, it is about the Millenial Kingdom.
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Originally Posted by bearbear
However you can find many such testimonies in evangelical Christianity of people having victory over addiction.
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Now you are making sense. Yes, thatīs called overcoming. Thatīs the point, having victory is "earned", get it?
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Originally Posted by bearbear
I can understand how the perception can be that being set free from addiction and sin seems impossible.
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Do you have that perception? Because I donīt. Of course a believer can be set free from addiction and sin. It is called living a victorious life and it is earned, thatīs the point. If you pay the price and live a victorious life, you are on the way to get the reward; if you donīt, you wonīt. Why is this so hard for you to understand?