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Old 05-23-2024, 07:42 AM   #70
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Q: Where did the doctrine of millennial or kingdom exclusion where the warnings in the New Testament about being excluded from the kingdom refers to the millennial kingdom of Christ after his return and not the eternal kingdom of Christ originate from?

The doctrine of millennial or kingdom exclusion is a relatively niche and debated topic within Christian eschatology. This view interprets certain New Testament warnings about being excluded from the kingdom as referring specifically to the millennial kingdom of Christ, a 1,000-year reign of Christ on earth after his return, rather than the eternal kingdom of God. Here's a brief overview of its origins and development:
  1. 19th Century Roots: The concept gained some attention in the 19th century, particularly among certain dispensationalist circles. Dispensationalism is a theological framework that emphasizes the division of history into distinct periods or "dispensations," each marked by different ways God interacts with humanity. Some dispensationalists began to interpret certain biblical warnings about the kingdom as referring to a temporary exclusion from the millennial kingdom rather than eternal damnation.
  2. Key Proponents: One of the early proponents of this view was Robert Govett (1813-1901), an English pastor and theologian. Govett's writings on the subject laid a foundation for others who would later develop and promote the doctrine of millennial exclusion. He argued that certain unfaithful Christians would be excluded from reigning with Christ during the millennium but would still be saved eternally.
  3. 20th Century Developments: The doctrine was further developed in the 20th century by authors such as Watchman Nee and others within the Plymouth Brethren and other dispensationalist groups. They emphasized the idea that the millennial kingdom would be a reward for faithful Christians, while unfaithful Christians would face temporary exclusion and loss of rewards during this period.
  4. Scriptural Basis: Proponents of millennial exclusion often cite passages such as Matthew 25:14-30 (the Parable of the Talents), 1 Corinthians 3:10-15, and Hebrews 12:14-17. They argue that these passages warn of loss of rewards and exclusion from the millennial reign for unfaithfulness, but not of eternal separation from God.
  5. Criticism and Controversy: The doctrine is not widely accepted and has faced significant criticism from many within mainstream Christianity. Critics argue that it creates a two-tiered system of salvation and rewards that is not clearly supported by Scripture. They also contend that it undermines the assurance of salvation and the unity of the body of Christ.

Overall, the doctrine of millennial exclusion remains a controversial and debated topic within certain eschatological frameworks. Its origins can be traced back to 19th-century dispensationalist interpretations and have been further developed by subsequent theologians and authors.

Q: Did the early church fathers teach anything like this?

The early church fathers did not explicitly teach the doctrine of millennial or kingdom exclusion as it is understood in some modern dispensationalist circles. However, they did have diverse views on the millennium and the kingdom of God. Here are some key points regarding their teachings:
  1. Millennial Views: Several early church fathers held to a form of premillennialism (chiliasm), which is the belief in a literal 1,000-year reign of Christ on earth following his return. Notable proponents of this view included Papias, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, and Tertullian. They believed in a future earthly kingdom where Christ would reign with his saints.
  2. Eternal Kingdom: The early church fathers also affirmed the belief in the eternal kingdom of God, where the final state of the redeemed would be eternal life with God in the new heavens and new earth. This belief is reflected in the writings of fathers such as Augustine, who later developed an amillennial perspective, seeing the millennium as symbolic of the church age.
  3. Exclusion and Rewards: While the early church fathers did discuss the concepts of rewards and punishment, their focus was primarily on eternal salvation and damnation rather than a temporary exclusion from a millennial kingdom. They emphasized the need for holiness and faithfulness, warning against apostasy and unrepentant sin.
  4. Warnings in Scripture: The warnings in the New Testament about being excluded from the kingdom of God were generally interpreted by early church fathers as referring to eternal exclusion rather than a temporary state during the millennium. They urged believers to live righteously to inherit the eternal kingdom.

For example:
  1. Irenaeus: In his work "Against Heresies," Irenaeus discussed the resurrection and the kingdom, emphasizing the eternal rewards for the righteous and the eternal punishment for the wicked.
  2. Justin Martyr: In his "Dialogue with Trypho," Justin Martyr spoke of a future resurrection and kingdom, but he did not elaborate on a temporary exclusion from the millennial kingdom for unfaithful believers.
  3. Augustine: In his later works, Augustine developed an amillennial view, interpreting the millennium as symbolic and focusing on the eternal state of believers rather than a distinct millennial reign with temporary exclusions.

In summary, the early church fathers did not teach the specific doctrine of millennial exclusion as understood in some modern dispensationalist views. Their teachings on the kingdom of God primarily focused on eternal salvation and damnation, with varied interpretations of the millennium and the nature of Christ's reign.

Q: Since the early church fathers were disciples or indirect disciples of the Apostles, is it reasonable to assume that the Apostles themselves did not hold to millennial or kingdom exclusion?

Given that the early church fathers were direct disciples or indirect disciples of the Apostles and did not explicitly teach the doctrine of millennial or kingdom exclusion, it is reasonable to infer that the Apostles themselves likely did not hold to this specific view. Here are a few points to consider:
  1. Continuity of Teaching: The early church fathers often sought to preserve and faithfully transmit the teachings they received from the Apostles. If the doctrine of millennial exclusion had been a significant part of apostolic teaching, it is likely that it would have been reflected in the writings and teachings of these early church fathers. The absence of such teachings in their writings suggests that it was not a doctrine emphasized by the Apostles.
  2. Scriptural Interpretation: The Apostles' writings in the New Testament focus on the assurance of salvation, the need for perseverance in faith, and the final judgment. Key passages such as 1 Corinthians 3:10-15, Hebrews 12:14-17, and the Parables of Jesus do contain warnings and exhortations, but they are generally understood by the early church as addressing eternal consequences rather than a temporary exclusion from a millennial kingdom.
  3. Eschatological Views: The early church fathers, including those with premillennial views, did not delineate a specific period of millennial exclusion for unfaithful believers. Instead, they emphasized the hope of resurrection and eternal life for the faithful and eternal separation from God for the unfaithful. This focus aligns with the broader eschatological themes found in the New Testament.
  4. Lack of Historical Evidence: There is no substantial historical evidence from the early Christian writings or traditions to support the idea that the Apostles taught a doctrine of millennial exclusion. The development of this doctrine appears to be a later theological construct rather than a direct continuation of apostolic teaching.

In conclusion, based on the teachings of the early church fathers and the absence of evidence for millennial exclusion in their writings, it is reasonable to assume that the Apostles themselves did not hold to this specific view. The early Christian focus on eternal consequences rather than temporary exclusion aligns with the broader New Testament message and the teachings preserved by the early church fathers.
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