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Originally Posted by aron
“Fellow Israelites, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is here to this day. But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne. Seeing what was to come, he spoke of the resurrection of the Messiah, that he was not abandoned to the realm of the dead, nor did his body see decay. God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it."
We can either say that David was in error in Psalm 16, thinking that God would keep him from Sheol/Hades, or that he foreknew the Seed that would come. Which approach did Peter take?
"The Holy Spirit spoke through David and he himself said: "The Lord said to my Lord, `Sit beside me until I make you master over your enemies.'" Jesus said that the Holy Spirit spoke through David - where does Jesus say that David was in his fallen human self, vainly trying to be good? There's no precedent for this position in the NT usage. It's a position that WL came up with, against NT precedent. Who was entertaining fallen human concepts, here?
"Thy words were found and I did eat them" - does NT precedent suggest A) Jeremiah's vanity, or B) NT believers enjoying the processed God, or C) Jesus obeying the Father? Lee gave us a false choice set: A or B, but he skipped C.
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I have no idea how you're tying this into the footnotes about Lee saying David's concept was often natural and fallen. It's just an incredibly weak point you're attempting. It doesn't even make sense logically. As I said before, David was up and down in his spiritual progression, as we all are at different stages and different times in our lives. But you're taking random Psalms out of context to make a broad sweeping generalization about the entire book. Which is very poor logic
Just because David was very spiritual and ascended in one Psalm, doesn't mean ALL the Psalms are very spiritual and ascended. In fact there are many Psalms that start out well and go in an errant direction, often either a lawful or vengeful direction. And there are many Psalms that start out bad and end in an ascended way. It's weird to think that all of the Old Testament is very ascended or all of the old testament is about Jesus etc. No the old testament is multifaceted as is the entire Bible. You're like assuming just because something is true in one book/chapter/verse that it's true in all the other books/chapter/verses. Which is really weird
If you read David's history in the old testament it's often up and down. Which clearly backs up Lee's points about David. David at one point entered into an extremely dark period in his life, where he became a murderer and an adulterer. He also to whatever degree (not nearly as much as his son Solomon) became a lecher. So David's personal spiritual walk was consistently inconsistent sir. This helps to prove Lee's point and it's just the truth and it's obvious too