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Originally Posted by Ohio
These disgusting concepts are totally foreign to the New Testament, and really are sourced in Pagan Rome. The Roman Pope was merely a continuation of the Roman Caesar. This deification of the Roman leader has never left Western Civilization since Julius Caesar was first exalted as a god. The coming Therion Beast* of Revelation will soon replace the Papacy and exalt himself as the Christ, as Israel's Messiah, as the only God on earth, demanding all men to worship him under penalty of death.
The Pope in Rome and the MOTA in Anaheim differ only in scale.
*The Revelation Beast (Revelation chapters 13 thru 19) really should not be called the "Antichrist" because the Bible does not. The Greek word is "therion" which is literally translated a "wild beast." This Wild Beast will not just be anti-christ, or against Christ, but is the Man of Sin who will exalt himself as God of all (2 Thess 2.4) and really should be considered as the archetypal "False Christ." (Matt 24.24)
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To be fair I don't really get the sense that those in the recovery uplift Ron or Ed or Minoru or any of the other speakers as "heads" of the recovery. But then again maybe they do. Hard to say. If so it's something that is unspoken. Whereas the pope is literally designated "the guy" in Christianity
But I will say that it's hard for me to listen to Ron speak sometimes. I think he's mellowed out in his old age. But man back in like say 2007 that guy was just bordering nutty in how angry he would get when he'd go off on his tangents in his talks
I will also say that I've heard him talk about the regions of the work and I've personally heard him shoot down the concept of certain big brothers in certain regions who think they own the entire region. However it's entirely possible he was talking about like say Titus Chu or some big rebel like that. Or maybe he was talking in generality about that issue. Which is a real issue btw. It's complicated though because I've seen that. I've seen "big time brothers" walk around with cocky confidence like they're the big cheese of certain localities. I've seen it in Seattle, I've seen it in Bellevue, and I've seen it in Renton. Do the blended brothers do that? Idk man, it's a weird creepy thing is authority in a church setting. It's a big turn off
What's funny is idk the exact quote you all are hitting Ron with here in this thread, I have no way of verifying any of it, but I also know he's said some really dodgy stuff over the years about women. Some of it is true though. Once he said that it's the woman's fault that sin came into the world, which is technically true. I know that will trigger some sensitive folks on here, but it's a biblical fact. And today satan is STILL using the women to dismantle the male leadership and to harm males in general. But on the other hand it doesn't sit right with me that women are viewed as second class citizens by Bro Lee and the recovery. My sister left the recovery because of that very reason, and because of that footnotes Lee wrote saying women are weaker physically and mentally than men. I think I kind of believe it, but it's just not really fair and calls into question the fairness of God himself in his design, as well as his love. Complex issue, unless you're a hard line lefty idealist, then you'll probably be triggered and send me a hateful response to this
At any rate, my sister confronted Ron Kangus to his face about the issue back in like idk 2003 or something. He ducked and dodged around the question. But she left the recovery because she was capable enough to teach and she was teaching the young people in Pullman rather well for awhile, but then the local male leadership came in and told her she had to stop due to her gender. That was the last straw for her and she hasn't really been back since besides the occasional visit for whatever reason once every few years if that. But she told me that she had known about the women being created less than since she was very young, maybe 7 or 8 years old when she would read the Bible at that age. She said it bothered her even then but because she loved God so much she kind of just ignored it until her early 20's when it became a serious problem for her personal identity. There may have been some other issues with the church in Pullman that precipitated that breakdown in her relationship with God though. Being told you can't do something not because you're unqualified, but because of your gender is just straight up bigotry. But it's in the Bible, so is the local church at fault for that? Or is the Bible?
I don't have an answer really for any of it aside from I think that if that's what God did then I can understand why women would feel horrible about the whole thing. You'd have to take it up with God regarding his design
But also similar to how harsh Lee was to the denominations I have heard Kangus be harsh towards females in his speaking. I don't think morally that is right from Kangus or Lee. It's a haughty spirit to mock others who are in a different station than you. I'm sure it was worse maybe say in the 80's or the 70's when things were pretty wild in the recovery. Which is probably how a lot of abuse got swept under the rug