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Old 07-13-2023, 05:04 AM   #338
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Default Apostasy already underway? Laodicea?

Ohio,
You are not wrong. Here are a few quotes regarding the apostasy. These speakers believe that the apostacy, the great falling away, is already underway. Here they make their case.
Nell

Before the Wrath
40:34
"Kevin: This brings us to a topic that is fiercely debated today. Since the origins of Christ’s message left with the Galileans has faded into history, Jesus’ statement regarding not knowing the day or the hour of his return has sparked heated debate and growing misconceptions.

Jack Hibbs: And the church has suffered from this. There are those who want to set dates. And yet the Bible teaches both from Jesus himself and from the apostles that no man knows the day or the hour.

J. D. Farag: It is my belief that these date setters, so called, have irreversibly damaged Bible prophesy.

Amir Tsarfaty: I grieve about the obsession about “when will it happen” as far as day and hour. When you start setting days and then it doesn’t happen, then you have millions or hundreds of thousands of disappointed people that, there are good chances that they will walk away from that faith because it wasn’t proved to be right.

Kevin: And the result is that Bible prophecy is systematically erased from Christianity all over the world.

Jan Markell: I’m just so stunned. I never thought I would see this in my lifetime. That the greatest news in the Bible is now marginalized jeopardized and is now coming under great criticism and skepticism. Then, you’ll talk to a pastor and he’ll say “well, you know what, I don’t want to be identified with the fringe.” There is a fringe. We don’t know the day or the hour and we don’t. Nobody’s got any special insight. Apparently only God the Father knows.

Amir Tsarfaty: Look. When you live in this world and suddenly someone tells you you’re about to be taken, physically, out of this world, then, knowing the date is like hitting the jackpot. However, it saddens me that, even though Jesus himself said, “no one knows the day and the hour”, why do we think that we need to know? It’s sends a clear message that we’re not supposed to deal with the actual date. We’re supposed to deal with the preparation for that date.

Kevin: In addition, with spreading misconceptions about Biblical prophecy, more church-going Christians, with each passing year, no longer want to hear about these so-called “fringe topics”. Most churches have clearly recognized this trend.

43:10
Jan Markell: If you ask a pastor, he will tell you—flat out—you know what? “The world is coming to an end” is not going to grow my church. The fact that even Jesus is coming back is not going to (grow my church.)

J. D. Farag: That is the number one reason, actually. And it’s really because pastors are, themselves, ignorant concerning Bible prophecy. They are also fearful. They are fearful that if they start teaching Bible prophecy—really they’re teaching the Bible—so how can you not teach the Bible, whole counsel of God, without also teaching prophecy by default? They’re (pastors) are fearful that it’s going to be too controversial.

Amir Tsarfaty: Christians always want to be accepted by the world. They are always on the run to embrace and adopt worldly views in order for people to like them. You sugarcoat everything. You become a motivational speaker rather than a pastor. Because, if you come to a non-believer and you pull out this rapture card, he’s going to run away from you. He’s going to think you’re crazy."

Watching the movie, Before the Wrath, will put this in context for you.

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