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Originally Posted by BreadFish
Dear brothers and sisters,
After read many posts in this forum, I understand the feelings of brothers and sisters.
First let me introduces a little about myself, I was touched and saved by the Lord directly when I got a bible (not recovery version). Thus I have no LC background. When I came to the Local church I have similiar feelings with most of you.
After 10 years of LC Life and I start to know what's the problem and How to solve it.
As a brother who has had similar experiences and is still serving, I would like to share my own opinions:
1. The vision of God's economy (greek: oikonomia) seen by Witness Lee is according to the Bible. There are no problems of most of the teachings of Brother Lee.
2. The real problem is the spirit capacity of Local Church leaders. The Words are pure, but leaders are not pure as the Words. When I relocate to different cities, I found different leaders lead different spiritual atmosphere, though we read the same teaching.
3. The solution of the difficulty of most Local Churches is that we need more leaders who really express the Lord in Love and Light.
4. As a server I need to love the Lord more and express the Lord in Love and Light.
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BreadFish, welcome to the forum (although I see you've posted a few times before; I can't recall if I already said welcome)!
Thanks for being willing to discuss; I hope you stick around to converse.
I appreciate that you are willing to acknowledge there are problems and shortcomings in the local church. Rather than beat around the bush, I'll just say up front that I disagree with your points 1 and 2. A large amount of Witness Lee's teachings have been proven false and problematic on this forum as well as in the writings, FB posts, websites, and videos of numerous others.
For example, Witness Lee himself lead the saints to believe he is "the minister of the age". Except, there is no such thing as "the minister of the age" in the Bible, plain and simple. And no, it's not a "principle" that you need "light" in order to see. It's flat out not there. God did not reveal a "vision" to Witness Lee that we in turn must follow, as if Witness Lee is the mediator between us and God. Our relationship to Witness Lee and his ministry has nothing to do with our relationship with God, and yet, in the local church, this is the very strong impression that is given - if you are not in the ministry, if you do not follow Lee's vision, then you are off or not in the center of what God is doing on the earth today. This is patently ridiculous. And for someone to get something this significant this wrong justifiably throws all his other teachings into serious doubt.
Regarding God's economy, where specifically does it say in the Bible that "God is dispensing Himself into us"?
The context of the verse about being "partakers of the divine nature" does not imply dispensing and it does not imply that "nature" means some kind of spiritually poured form of God gets into us. It implies upright character and behavior.
oikonomia does not mean "dispensing". "dispensation" and "dispensing" are unrelated things, and "dispensation" as a translation is not a good one for the context.
All I've seen Witness Lee say are things like "a survey of the entire Bible will reveal that God is dispensing Himself into us", and yet.....the Bible doesn't actually say this either. If Lee's vision of God's economy is correct, there should be much more direct support for it from the pages of scripture, given that it is supposed to be some kind of "controlling vision".
I agree the leaders need to express the Lord in love and light more, and I would also add that they need to express Him more
in truth too.
Please stick around to discuss. I hate to see people believe lies just because they are shrouded with truthful sounding words.
Trapped