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Old 02-15-2023, 07:18 AM   #221
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Default Re: YouTube Channel - The Lord's Recovery Unchained

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Originally Posted by Just Saying View Post
Cognitive Dissonance is a concept of psychology, developed by Leon Festinger.
Although it may on one hand give us an insight into the secular view of humans, through the lenses of Science, on the other hand it also completely devalues all aspects of spiritual life, or the truth that we find about who we are as a human beings. It’s interesting that I have heard of this theory before from counseling and other sources, but what is fascinating about it, is that the solutions offered to people through the secular systems are almost laughable and really do very little to resolve the issue at hand.

It’s abundantly clear for those of us who have been there at one point or another, strolling the beaten paths of single file line that goes from Nee to Lee to the current collection of blenders. Some of us didn’t know any better, but some went to great hardcore extent to make sure that you stayed within the “oneness file”, while fighting internally and externally to make sure everyone knows that you are striving for greatness. The mental, internal issues of the soul, and constant quenching of the Holy Spirit’s work in our lives, was daily ritual and routine. That’s because these so blunt and poisonous “recovered truths”, were the daily heartbeat of the true follower of these men.
- You can’t think they said, just call!
- You can’t understand they said, just trust!
- You can’t read the clear Word they said, just let us give you what it means!
- You can’t feel things they said, it’s from your natural self, kill it they warned!
- You can’t identify what’s of the spirit or of the soul, let us do it for you, they said!

I can’t see how those daily sessions around those concepts, would not lead one to some serious issues. I must say, that I have been around people who through these constant daily exercises, became like literally children in their minds. People who where 100% normal just few years ago, became totally unapproachable, unable to hear, listen, reason, have compassion, able to understand basic things. It’s kind of like they went backwards in they growth. Just a mere touch of that well put together rhetoric, known as the language of the local church, will have you at best be showered with shouting of the name of Jesus, or at worst be attached to the satans special forces. Is that cognitive dissonance, or is there something that we are missing? Is it solvable by the secular self help solutions, or the roots are way deeper that the science can penetrate?

Couple of weeks ago I tried, (against my better judgment), to talk to some current members about some things. Didn’t go well at all, and was told that the issue of all of the things that are happening in the recovery is the people who are failing to follow simply steps offered by the ministry. When I asked if the steps and solutions that are given to these people could be the causes for the many problems that people have, I was quickly reminded of how the original inventor of recovery suffered to get it to me, and how ungrateful I am. Conversation ended, and I didn’t want to press any further, knowing that the basic human ability to ask questions, examine things and test them, has been completely removed and that mind has been rewired to short circuit as soon as there is uncomfortable situation arises. What a delusional lifestyle, and it’s called “live”. I remember lying this to myself for so many years, as if it was the true reality! Where would we be without Gods grace and mercy, probably still chained in the single file, singing mindlessly “o what a wonderful church life”.������
Just saying,

Wow, they really spun it around to put the blame game on you! I have also encountered this kind of basic inability to use their mind and actually grapple with the places their beliefs lead.

I'm definitely not an expert, but I think the things you mentioned would be best described as "thought-stopping cliches".

Just had the chance to listen to the video this morning. The "cognitive dissonance" mentioned in the video was concerning the conflicting beliefs/teachings in the local church that cannot all be true at the same time, i.e. believing both that the co-workers are telling the truth when they say Witness Lee's ministry is only a part of the NT ministry (meaning there are other ministries out there that qualify as legitimate ministries saints shouldn't be scared of), AND also going along with being "restricted in one publication" (only Lee/Nee's ministries), that is, being restricted to just a small portion of God's whole NT ministry. These two things both can't hold at the same time without being forced to acknowledge that you are missing out on ALL of the NT ministry this way. That inability to reconcile all those things without having to admit something is wrong somewhere in the equation is the "cognitive dissonance" the video spoke of....and so the saints exist in this unreconcilable mental situation, all the while thinking they are in the best place! I know I definitely experienced this myself when I was there.

That "mind short circuiting in uncomfortable situations" is a part of cognitive dissonance I think, although I agree with you that there are actually unseen things going on when it happens. Maybe this cognitive dissonance phrase is a way of identifying the physical symptoms of a behind the scenes spiritual battle; however, cognitive dissonance can also occur in any number of non-spiritual, non-Christian situations, so it's not always necessarily spiritual. I'm no psychologist - correct me if I'm wrong!

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