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ZNPaaneah · 01-23-2011, 08:33 AM

Are we paying a price for the failure of Adam and Eve? Surely you can argue that God had forseen the fall, and that it was all part of his plan of redemption. But, without a doubt we are all paying the price for the Fall. How about Abraham's children, are they paying the price for his sin in having Ishmael? Of course they are. Is that part of God's plan sure. These are not mutually exclusive. If we play a chess game, it may be that you could have won the game in 7 moves but you missed it by making a foolish move, then you could have won at move 23 but again another blown opportunity, finally you could have won at move 35 and again you missed this opportunity. It doesn't mean that you won't ultimately win the game. It just means there are missed opportunities and as a result there are consequences. This is why I quoted the verse where God says "O that my people had hearkened unto me to obey my voice...". When Saul sinned in not slaying the ones that God told him to slay, ultimately their descendant was Haman who almost wiped out the Jews at the time of Esther. A failure to listen to God will have consequences, that should not be confused with meaning that God will not ultimately accomplish his goal.

01-23-2011, 08:33 AM	#5
ZNPaaneah Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 7,105	Re: Solomon, A Type of What? Are we paying a price for the failure of Adam and Eve? Surely you can argue that God had forseen the fall, and that it was all part of his plan of redemption. But, without a doubt we are all paying the price for the Fall. How about Abraham's children, are they paying the price for his sin in having Ishmael? Of course they are. Is that part of God's plan sure. These are not mutually exclusive. If we play a chess game, it may be that you could have won the game in 7 moves but you missed it by making a foolish move, then you could have won at move 23 but again another blown opportunity, finally you could have won at move 35 and again you missed this opportunity. It doesn't mean that you won't ultimately win the game. It just means there are missed opportunities and as a result there are consequences. This is why I quoted the verse where God says "O that my people had hearkened unto me to obey my voice...". When Saul sinned in not slaying the ones that God told him to slay, ultimately their descendant was Haman who almost wiped out the Jews at the time of Esther. A failure to listen to God will have consequences, that should not be confused with meaning that God will not ultimately accomplish his goal.