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Nell · 06-09-2022, 07:59 AM

Your post makes a lot of sense, Matt. It seems that the meaning of the verses on this (or any) topic...generally speaking...imply a more personal matter. i.e., did you figure out with your natural mind your position on 1000 Years Discipline all by yourself? Did you read a verse and form an opinion, or do you trust your personal relationship with God to spiritually reveal in His own time, the/a matter, to you.

It seems to me that the best takeaway from the "1000 Years Discipline" discussion of the topic might be: "I'm not sure...". Or as you have stated:
1. The Bible is not completely clear
2. God is righteous in His judgments
3. God judges each one of us individually based on our deeds and the condition of our heart. There is no group aspect to this judgment. It is entirely individual as siblings in Christ.
4. Do not be afraid. Jesus says this a lot.
5. My Father in heaven loves me

Consider 1 Corinthians 2:12-16
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

15 But he that is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

These verses address the scriptural "requirements" for interpreting scripture: Not my requirements.

12: not by the spirit of the world, but the spirit of God. What is the "spirit of the world"? Well, what we know for sure is that the spirit of the world is not the spirit of God.

13: not by the words of man's wisdom, but the teaching of the Holy Spirit...comparing spiritual with spiritual. What is "man's wisdom"? It seems that man's wisdom is whatever man figures out on his own without the benefit of the spirit of God. (Leaning to man's own understanding perhaps?)

14: spiritual matters are foolish to the "natural" (not spiritual) man. Is it possible that literal verses in the scripture can be subject to foolish (natural) interpretation based on "man's wisdom"? But...but...but...The Bible says "this". The Bible doesn't say "that".

15: the spiritual man judges but is not judged. Huh?

16: Who has known the mind of the Lord? (Similar to the question/discourse to Job.) Do you, natural man, know what you're talking about? Do you really think you, natural man, are qualified to teach (or speak for) God?

06-09-2022, 07:59 AM	#51
Nell Admin/Moderator Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 2,102	Re: 1000 Years Discipline Your post makes a lot of sense, Matt. It seems that the meaning of the verses on this (or any) topic...generally speaking...imply a more personal matter. i.e., did you figure out with your natural mind your position on 1000 Years Discipline all by yourself? Did you read a verse and form an opinion, or do you trust your personal relationship with God to spiritually reveal in His own time, the/a matter, to you. It seems to me that the best takeaway from the "1000 Years Discipline" discussion of the topic might be: "I'm not sure...". Or as you have stated: 1. The Bible is not completely clear 2. God is righteous in His judgments 3. God judges each one of us individually based on our deeds and the condition of our heart. There is no group aspect to this judgment. It is entirely individual as siblings in Christ. 4. Do not be afraid. Jesus says this a lot. 5. My Father in heaven loves me Consider 1 Corinthians 2:12-16 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ. These verses address the scriptural "requirements" for interpreting scripture: Not my requirements. 12: not by the spirit of the world, but the spirit of God. What is the "spirit of the world"? Well, what we know for sure is that the spirit of the world is not the spirit of God. 13: not by the words of man's wisdom, but the teaching of the Holy Spirit...comparing spiritual with spiritual. What is "man's wisdom"? It seems that man's wisdom is whatever man figures out on his own without the benefit of the spirit of God. (Leaning to man's own understanding perhaps?) 14: spiritual matters are foolish to the "natural" (not spiritual) man. Is it possible that literal verses in the scripture can be subject to foolish (natural) interpretation based on "man's wisdom"? But...but...but...The Bible says "this". The Bible doesn't say "that". 15: the spiritual man judges but is not judged. Huh? 16: Who has known the mind of the Lord? (Similar to the question/discourse to Job.) Do you, natural man, know what you're talking about? Do you really think you, natural man, are qualified to teach (or speak for) God?