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Originally Posted by aron
The NT says explicitly that Jesus didn't trust people because he knew what was in them, crooked perversity because of the fall.
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John 2:24 says, "But Jesus would not entrust himself to them, for he knew all people." (NIV). In the case of the Bible, what's written as 'scripture' has clearly been established, but because of our perversity we can't see what's right in front of us.
In the NT, we see those who specialized in examining the contents of the written words, but because of their hardened hearts they were not able to perceive that the fulfillment of those very same words were embodied in front of them. "You err, not knowing scripture nor the power of God" ~Matt 22:29.
The words of Jeremiah were plain to see, for all, but one man purified himself through much prayer, fasting and study and solved the puzzle. "in the first year of [King Darius'] reign, I, Daniel, understood from the Scriptures, according to the word of the LORD given to Jeremiah the prophet, that the desolation of Jerusalem would last seventy years."
I was in the Baptist Fundamentalist Church for years, then in the Lord's Recovery Church (Local Church) for years, then back to the Fundamentalists, and nobody showed me the fall of the angels in Genesis 6, even though I now think it's probably the most important thing in the NT after the redemptive work of Christ, the Fall of Humanity in Genesis 3, and the eternal reign of the Son of God's love. The Fall of the Angels is interwoven throughout the NT, it is assumed to be underlying many if not most of the activities, from healing sickness to casting out demons. And yet I had to figure it all out on my own.
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Originally Posted by aron
...there are sources like Chapter 5, "The Principal Named Angels" in Charles A Gieschen's Angelomorphic Christology: Antecedents and Early Evidence, from Brill (1998). But it's thin reading.
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My point about Gieschen being 'thin' was that most of his sources are not scriptural, but peripheral: Dead Sea Scrolls, Josephus, Pliny, various early writings many non-Christian. There's very little in direct scriptural text on the origin of the angels. So one's reduced to looking outside the Bible, and then looking for agreement within it, that certain scriptures might presuppose that external information. But any conclusions thereon must be quite tentative.