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Robert · 01-03-2022, 10:12 AM

Nell
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"Arguably the preaching of the gospel of Jesus Christ began much earlier, as far back as Genesis 3:15 (15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.). in the Old Testament. That is, much earlier than “immediately after” his crucifixion, his death, and his resurrection."(...)

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It seems to me that the gospel of Jesus Christ cannot, should not, be separated from the person of Jesus Christ.(...)
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2. Does the white horse conclusively represent the gospel as Lee believed?"

Robert

Ok. I based on short footnotes in Recovery Bible. I was right and You was right.

Ad. Doubtfully stretched theory. Prophecy is one thing and gospel is another.

Col 1:26
Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

Eph 1:9
making known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he purposed in him
1:10
unto a dispensation of the fulness of the times, to sum up all things in Christ, the things in the heavens, and the things upon the earth; in him, [I say,]

That was MYSTERY not GOSPEL.
The same now we struggle with prophecy which seems to be secret to us for a while.
So we have to keep terms and time line.
Col 2:15
And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Rev 5:5
And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Yes, he already prevailed Satan. Remeber, if in Gen 3.14 He was mentioned, that means that God already seen it in Future which He is over, above and through.
So, there is time line, where Satan will be terminated, but also eternity in which Jesus is ruling.
So, yes, in time line from our perspective, gospel started from His resurrection, and at that time He exposed Satan who could not overcome God.
Another thing is:
Rev 1:3
Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

We should see clearly here, that this is prophecy about future. Not desription of world's history.
WL went too far in many areas and in many interpretations. If he dissappointed some... well. Do not trust man...
Bible is self explaining.
I did not put all puzzles together, but what we can do is to reject obvious mistakes with white horse and gospel.

Ad 2
As I posted before:
What Christ and gospel has to do with white horse in ch.6?
That was WL way of concluding trap.
Ad 3
For me -not.

01-03-2022, 10:12 AM	#65
Robert Member Join Date: Dec 2020 Posts: 278	Re: The Four Horses - Revelation 6 Nell 1. "Arguably the preaching of the gospel of Jesus Christ began much earlier, as far back as Genesis 3:15 (15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.). in the Old Testament. That is, much earlier than “immediately after” his crucifixion, his death, and his resurrection."(...) 2. It seems to me that the gospel of Jesus Christ cannot, should not, be separated from the person of Jesus Christ.(...) 3. 2. Does the white horse conclusively represent the gospel as Lee believed?" Robert Ok. I based on short footnotes in Recovery Bible. I was right and You was right. Ad. Doubtfully stretched theory. Prophecy is one thing and gospel is another. Col 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: Eph 1:9 making known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he purposed in him 1:10 unto a dispensation of the fulness of the times, to sum up all things in Christ, the things in the heavens, and the things upon the earth; in him, [I say,] That was MYSTERY not GOSPEL. The same now we struggle with prophecy which seems to be secret to us for a while. So we have to keep terms and time line. Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Rev 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. Yes, he already prevailed Satan. Remeber, if in Gen 3.14 He was mentioned, that means that God already seen it in Future which He is over, above and through. So, there is time line, where Satan will be terminated, but also eternity in which Jesus is ruling. So, yes, in time line from our perspective, gospel started from His resurrection, and at that time He exposed Satan who could not overcome God. Another thing is: Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. We should see clearly here, that this is prophecy about future. Not desription of world's history. WL went too far in many areas and in many interpretations. If he dissappointed some... well. Do not trust man... Bible is self explaining. I did not put all puzzles together, but what we can do is to reject obvious mistakes with white horse and gospel. Ad 2 As I posted before: What Christ and gospel has to do with white horse in ch.6? That was WL way of concluding trap. Ad 3 For me -not.