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Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching Today, 05:44 AM
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Posted By bearbear
Re: Progressive Dispensationalism

Coming back to progressive dispensationalism, one point I forgot to mention is the historical argument for why progressive dispensationalism is a good improvement on traditional dispensationalism.
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Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching Today, 05:27 AM
Replies: 15
Views: 328
Posted By bearbear
Re: Progressive Dispensationalism

There's a video that makes a good argument for studying pre-Nicean Christian writings and asserts that most of the leaven crept in after the council of Nicea due to the church becoming friends rather...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching Yesterday, 01:38 PM
Replies: 2
Views: 69
Posted By bearbear
Re: Howard Pittman- rebuked by the Lord for dead faith and vain works

To me, the most profound implication of Howard's testimony that I didn't want to believe was his claim that of 50 saints who entered heaven, 2000 souls had died on earth so only 2.5% of people on...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching Yesterday, 09:26 AM
Replies: 2
Views: 69
Posted By bearbear
Re: Howard Pittman- rebuked by the Lord for dead faith and vain works

Thank you brother (or sister) Raptor for bringing up this testimony. I've thought about this testimony for almost a decade and wanted it to not be true due to its profound implications but recently...
Forum: Ex Church Kids (of Local Church) 05-14-2024, 04:47 AM
Replies: 68
Views: 1,411
Posted By bearbear
Re: Eternal Salvation Is Free; Ruling With Christ Is Earned

I believe as well that all true believers will appear before the Judgment seat of Christ. However, in Acts 8 we have an example of a false believer, Simon the Magician.

Acts 8:13
Even Simon...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 05-13-2024, 10:09 AM
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Views: 620
Posted By bearbear
Re: Nee was the Master Mind of this, Lee was the Enabler of it.

Witness Lee taught that to know Christ is not enough, we must go on to know the local churches. Was he effectively setting up another "god" for us to worship deceptively along the same lines?


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Forum: Spiritual Abuse Titles 05-12-2024, 07:55 PM
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Views: 146
Posted By bearbear
Re: Dr. Michael Brown - Seven Signs of an Abusive Leader

From the first few minutes of the video Dr Brown quoted

Acts 20:28-31:
"Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 05-07-2024, 09:01 AM
Replies: 15
Views: 328
Posted By bearbear
Re: Progressive Dispensationalism

The 1800s was an insane period of time for cults to emerge. Mormons, Jehovah Witness and I would argue Seventh Day Adventists who believe Ellen G White is a true prophet all arose during this...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 05-05-2024, 05:34 AM
Replies: 15
Views: 328
Posted By bearbear
Re: Progressive Dispensationalism

My mind was blown in a similar manner as well though it more towards different soteriologies (salvation theology). After leaving the LCs I thought all Christian believed that you are saved after...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 05-04-2024, 05:39 AM
Replies: 15
Views: 328
Posted By bearbear
Re: Progressive Dispensationalism

One can also argue that Preterism should have died with the establishment of the nation of Israel and Jerusalem in addition to Israel's ability to miraculously defend itself against enormous odds in...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 05-04-2024, 05:30 AM
Replies: 15
Views: 328
Posted By bearbear
Re: Progressive Dispensationalism

Progressive dispensationalism could have flaws but I think it's much less flawed than the two other competing systems because it allows for a more literal reading of scripture.

For example...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 05-03-2024, 07:09 PM
Replies: 15
Views: 328
Posted By bearbear
Re: Progressive Dispensationalism

Covenant theology teaches that the church replaces Israel and takes over its covenant and promises. Traditional dispensationalism teaches that the Church and Israel are separate and governed by...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 05-03-2024, 03:01 PM
Replies: 15
Views: 328
Posted By bearbear
Re: Progressive Dispensationalism

I agree that traditional dispensationalism is flawed however the early church fathers held to a form of it that is similar to progressive dispensationalism which blends covenant theology with...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 05-03-2024, 07:30 AM
Replies: 15
Views: 328
Posted By bearbear
The Prewrath Rapture

Out of all the premillennial views, the prewrath rapture may be the most easy to understand in light of scripture with little to no mental gymnastics required. In this view, the rapture happens...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 05-03-2024, 07:25 AM
Replies: 15
Views: 328
Posted By bearbear
Progressive Dispensationalism

Many of us who came out of the LCs hold to a traditional dispensational theology which WL inherited from Nee and Darby and which also is the predominant theology in evangelicalism. In this view...
Forum: Soapbox of the Saints 05-01-2024, 01:31 PM
Replies: 4
Views: 104
Posted By bearbear
Re: What Does The Spirit Mean According To Witness Lee

A few months ago I also asked my wife what Witness Lee really taught concerning the Holy Spirit. She attended years of "God Ordained Way" trainings and also forced me to attend after we got married...
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 05-01-2024, 09:53 AM
Replies: 21
Views: 366
Posted By bearbear
Re: Looking for a Particular Ministry Publication

"So also you have some" could be a linguistic device that ties to the two together. God was likely juxtaposing the OT and NT versions of the same thing.

Balaam had correct theology and believed...
Forum: Ex Church Kids (of Local Church) 05-01-2024, 08:40 AM
Replies: 68
Views: 1,411
Posted By bearbear
Re: Eternal Salvation Is Free; Ruling With Christ Is Earned

Like the early church fathers, I also hold to pre-millenialism though more towards the "historic" / progressive dispensational flavor and not an extreme dispensational version....
Forum: Ex Church Kids (of Local Church) 05-01-2024, 06:37 AM
Replies: 68
Views: 1,411
Posted By bearbear
Re: Eternal Salvation Is Free; Ruling With Christ Is Earned

Eternal salvation is a gift given by grace through faith (Eph 2:8). But some of the definition of faith is lost in translation to English.

Paul quotes Habbukuk 2:4 three times in the NT: "The...
Forum: Ex Church Kids (of Local Church) 05-01-2024, 06:25 AM
Replies: 68
Views: 1,411
Posted By bearbear
Re: Eternal Salvation Is Free; Ruling With Christ Is Earned

You are quoting the book of Revelation written by John. The same author John also wrote 1 John 5:4 that the "Unregistered Guy" also shared:

1 John 5:4
For everyone who has been born of God...
Forum: Ex Church Kids (of Local Church) 05-01-2024, 05:17 AM
Replies: 68
Views: 1,411
Posted By bearbear
Re: Eternal Salvation Is Free; Ruling With Christ Is Earned

That's my problem with this view is that it takes years of study of commentary outside of scripture. This view did not become popular in church history until John Darby and it's different enough to...
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 05-01-2024, 04:59 AM
Replies: 21
Views: 366
Posted By bearbear
Re: Looking for a Particular Ministry Publication

Witness Lee has no verses to back up his claim of Nicolaitans conforming to a clergy-laity system however, whereas Sam Storms cites scripture to back up his view including Revelation 2:14-16


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Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 05-01-2024, 04:52 AM
Replies: 21
Views: 366
Posted By bearbear
Re: Looking for a Particular Ministry Publication

I'm okay with dispensationalism as well, just not an extreme form. I lean towards progressive dispensationalism and am open to commonwealth theology as well. ...
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 04-30-2024, 12:07 PM
Replies: 21
Views: 366
Posted By bearbear
Re: Looking for a Particular Ministry Publication

Thanks for the historical background Ohio and I'm glad I chose my words carefully and didn't lump all the Brethren in one category. George Müller seemed like a genuine man of God and he is listed as...
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 04-30-2024, 09:09 AM
Replies: 21
Views: 366
Posted By bearbear
Re: Looking for a Particular Ministry Publication

This is a really bad take on the Nicolaitans by Witness Lee. What made them heretics despite adhering to the basic truths outlined in the Nicene Creed is that they taught that the grace of God...
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