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Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 11-08-2019, 03:49 PM
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Posted By Freedom
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

The LC is full of extremities and they fail to really recognize it or acknowledge the end effect. They waste no time distancing themselves from the Shouters and EL, yet why aren't they willing to do...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 11-08-2019, 01:53 PM
Replies: 13
Views: 549
Posted By Freedom
LC history indicates that at some point WN...

LC history indicates that at some point WN assumed a position of authority. WL likewise. After WL died, the blendeds claimed to be his 'continuation'. It seems that no one ever really thought to ...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 11-08-2019, 09:55 AM
Replies: 183
Views: 5,538
Posted By Freedom
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

I am reminded of the type of statements that FTTT trainers were reported to have made:
1) ďThere is no need to pray about what to do; just follow the ministry.Ē
2) We donít even need to think; we...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 11-08-2019, 09:33 AM
Replies: 183
Views: 5,538
Posted By Freedom
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

Awhile back, someone on the forum posted a WL quote where WL referred to LC members in China as 'Shouters'. The DCP has an article where they state that the local churches "have no connection or ...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 11-07-2019, 02:39 PM
Replies: 183
Views: 5,538
Posted By Freedom
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

Something tells me that the LC collapse has already begun. They have zero ability to self-reflect, and such a system can only last so long. To me it seems apparent that they have become desperate,...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 11-07-2019, 02:26 PM
Replies: 13
Views: 549
Posted By Freedom
Re: Co-workers In The Lordís Recovery Declare Themselves as APOSTLES!

I think that aside from what is or isn't spoken, people in the LC already perceive things a certain way. What I mean is that before WL ever declared himself as God's oracle, he was already perceived...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 11-07-2019, 09:36 AM
Replies: 13
Views: 549
Posted By Freedom
Re: Co-workers In The Lordís Recovery Declare Themselves as APOSTLES!

The statements that they make expose their hypocrisy. In their article on hierarchy and organization, they argue that LSM is not a headquarters and that there is no organization among the local...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 11-06-2019, 03:00 PM
Replies: 183
Views: 5,538
Posted By Freedom
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

Yes, I saw much of the same growing up in the LC. If nothing else, there was definitely a deliberate attempt to stigmatize it. Not once did I ever see any real concern for anyone who was dealing with...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 11-06-2019, 12:56 PM
Replies: 183
Views: 5,538
Posted By Freedom
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

Yeah, I think definitely a lot of people in the LC don't think it's their place to be asking the type of questions that really need asking. It does seem as though that people in the LC are starting...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 11-06-2019, 12:46 PM
Replies: 183
Views: 5,538
Posted By Freedom
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

While things are a current issue, LC leadership will tell people to drop it. Then when the unaddressed issue is raised again sometime later on, they say it has been addressed already. They can't even...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 11-06-2019, 10:50 AM
Replies: 183
Views: 5,538
Posted By Freedom
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

I briefly skimmed through these, and it's hard to believe that LC people can remain content reading these things without demanding better answers. In regards to much of the external criticism that...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 10-11-2019, 05:28 PM
Replies: 183
Views: 5,538
Posted By Freedom
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

That makes a lot of sense. The latest "turmoil" started out with a facebook post. And I think in the eyes of LC leadership, the greatest threat to them isn't the contents of the letter but the fact...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 10-11-2019, 12:59 PM
Replies: 183
Views: 5,538
Posted By Freedom
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

People like Don Rutledge who were actually there are the most credible sources. People who were never there are not in much of a position to question the firsthand accounts of what happened. It still...
Forum: Writings and Concerns of Steve Isitt 10-11-2019, 11:19 AM
Replies: 7
Views: 631
Posted By Freedom
Re: Overview of LSM's Divisive Path

Yes and I think that is exactly the issue that Steve Isitt ran into when he first started writing. Some of these issue have been out on the internet now for years, still never addressed by LC...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 10-10-2019, 04:51 PM
Replies: 183
Views: 5,538
Posted By Freedom
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

:hysterical:

It seems to be the latest thing in the LC - all the talk about "spiritual fathers."
Forum: Early Lee - Later Lee 10-10-2019, 04:49 PM
Replies: 10
Views: 428
Posted By Freedom
Re: Concerning Lee's 1997 Admonition regarding Love

I seem to recall in the mid-2000's, some people in the midwest put out writings referencing what WL spoke. I think there was some response from LSM either in writing or in a semi-annual training...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 10-10-2019, 04:46 PM
Replies: 19
Views: 2,370
Posted By Freedom
Re: Curious!

When I first heard this recording of RK, I was shocked. I attended numerous trainings, and he always came across and someone to be taken seriously. But hearing him call someone a "man of death"...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 10-10-2019, 04:23 PM
Replies: 183
Views: 5,538
Posted By Freedom
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

I suppose some do. Maybe others who have been in longer just don't take it all that seriously anymore.

I listened to the recording of the meeting they had during the summer training for past FTTA...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 10-10-2019, 03:30 PM
Replies: 183
Views: 5,538
Posted By Freedom
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

When looking at the situation that the LC is presently confronted with, and how they are responding to it, credibility is really a key issue. Of course, the LC standard tactic is to attack other...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 10-10-2019, 02:32 PM
Replies: 183
Views: 5,538
Posted By Freedom
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

I think part of Lee's goal with how he portrayed Nee was for the purpose of establishing that he had been passed the torch from Nee himself. Thus, the view of Nee that people in the LC ended up with...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 10-10-2019, 11:42 AM
Replies: 183
Views: 5,538
Posted By Freedom
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

Yeah, it probably would be fair to say that any account coming from that time period in China should be taken with a grain of salt. A lot of it could very well have been propaganda. We know that WL's...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 10-10-2019, 10:41 AM
Replies: 183
Views: 5,538
Posted By Freedom
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

Yeah, I think understanding Nee and all the things that happened is mostly a matter of just connecting the dots. Even WL's own account of the happenings in China mentions things that would certainly...
Forum: Writings and Concerns of Steve Isitt 10-09-2019, 10:31 PM
Replies: 7
Views: 631
Posted By Freedom
Re: Overview of LSM's Divisive Path

It seems like they think that if enough time has passed, the situations in question are no longer important. On the contrary, the longer these things have gone unaddressed, the more relevant they...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 10-09-2019, 03:28 PM
Replies: 183
Views: 5,538
Posted By Freedom
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

I don't think that it will ever be possible to know exactly what happened in China or which account of events is the most accurate. I've seen discussion in the past as to whether or not Lily Hsu's...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 10-09-2019, 02:32 PM
Replies: 30
Views: 2,287
Posted By Freedom
Re: Pulled in Two Directions

I always heard LC people making a big deal about Nee being borderline genius, having a photographic memory, etc. However, no one ever really talked about how old he was when he started writing. When...
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