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Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice 05-26-2020, 06:01 PM
Replies: 8
Views: 235
Posted By Freedom
Re: The main problem with the LC

Among all the Christian groups that have formed due to a perceived deficiency in the groups that they split off from, the LC is the only one I know of that is out there talking about how bad all the...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 05-22-2020, 10:15 AM
Replies: 76
Views: 4,720
Posted By Freedom
Re: Erroneous teaching of Lee concerning natural affection

Especially because I grew up in the LC, I really didn't know any better when it came to a lot of the legalism. I though that such things were necessary for spirituality. And I think that even when I...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 05-22-2020, 09:44 AM
Replies: 43
Views: 763
Posted By Freedom
Re: Responsibility of Christians Responding to Aberrant/Abusive Groups

In my case, I left over some things that had the potential for a simple resolution, but seeing the way that everything went down afterwards just showed me how toxic the whole thing was. I had two...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 05-21-2020, 06:03 PM
Replies: 76
Views: 4,720
Posted By Freedom
Re: Erroneous teaching of Lee concerning natural affection

Yeah, it reminds me of when I lived in a brothers house and one of the rules was no watching movies. I was really the only one that attempted to follow that rule. But then I gave up on it since no...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 05-21-2020, 09:59 AM
Replies: 76
Views: 4,720
Posted By Freedom
Re: Erroneous teaching of Lee concerning natural affection

I really didn't become aware that the LC had this type of teaching until I had started attending some of the conferences and trainings and heard it spoken from the podium. I remember when I attended...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 05-21-2020, 09:29 AM
Replies: 86
Views: 1,875
Posted By Freedom
Re: What a Lack of Increase Really Means for the LC

In the locality that I grew up in as well as some of the nearby localities, there were a lot of instances where people had many family members including extended family in the LC. Lunch in someone's...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 05-20-2020, 03:00 PM
Replies: 43
Views: 763
Posted By Freedom
Re: Responsibility of Christians Responding to Aberrant/Abusive Groups

In the LC, verses like Matt 7:5 are often misapplied and used as a means to obstruct people from standing up for themselves or speaking out. Instead they want to keep people running around in circles...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 05-20-2020, 01:02 PM
Replies: 86
Views: 1,875
Posted By Freedom
Re: What a Lack of Increase Really Means for the LC

I haven't, it sounds like something worth watching.
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 05-20-2020, 11:17 AM
Replies: 86
Views: 1,875
Posted By Freedom
Re: What a Lack of Increase Really Means for the LC

So many of the things that the LC thinks that they are "getting right" in comparison with other Christian groups is all just based on their own assumptions and what they imagine other to be doing...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 05-20-2020, 10:54 AM
Replies: 43
Views: 763
Posted By Freedom
Re: Responsibility of Christians Responding to Aberrant/Abusive Groups

I don't know if there are really any right answers to this question. The first thing that comes to mind though is that there is nothing wrong with speaking to one's personal experiences. The LC would...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 05-20-2020, 10:27 AM
Replies: 86
Views: 1,875
Posted By Freedom
Re: What a Lack of Increase Really Means for the LC

One really has to wonder – if LC members were surveyed and answered honestly, how many would fall into this category?

Another point is that not all the members in such a category started out that...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 05-19-2020, 01:40 PM
Replies: 86
Views: 1,875
Posted By Freedom
Re: What a Lack of Increase Really Means for the LC

I think that it could be said that many LC members are dependent upon something that the LC has to offer. Meaning even if they are 99% percent disillusioned with the whole thing, they keep coming...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 05-19-2020, 10:30 AM
Replies: 20
Views: 420
Posted By Freedom
Re: The Shunning

This is a difficult question to answer. Shunning is meant to be hurtful, and they very well know that. I can only speak to my personal experience, but it seems that in the LC, there’s an unspoken...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 05-19-2020, 07:43 AM
Replies: 86
Views: 1,875
Posted By Freedom
Re: What a Lack of Increase Really Means for the LC

That especially can be said for the people who have been around for awhile. A lot of them already have most of the books to begin with, so I guess they don't mind buying things twice.

The thing...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 05-18-2020, 07:53 PM
Replies: 86
Views: 1,875
Posted By Freedom
Re: What a Lack of Increase Really Means for the LC

I saw recently that their latest thing is called "ministry propagation" and they have a whole website dedicated to talking about promoting the sale of ministry books, how run a church bookroom, etc....
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 05-18-2020, 12:58 PM
Replies: 86
Views: 1,875
Posted By Freedom
Re: What a Lack of Increase Really Means for the LC

In one way or another, LC elders learn that their good-standing within the movement is dependent upon their compliance as well as only speaking 'positively' about things that they might disagree ...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 05-17-2020, 12:01 PM
Replies: 86
Views: 1,875
Posted By Freedom
Re: What a Lack of Increase Really Means for the LC

I found out about Daystar through what I read here, and that I think what made it so concerning was not so much what actually happened, but knowing this was the kind of stuff that they've been...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 05-17-2020, 11:35 AM
Replies: 86
Views: 1,875
Posted By Freedom
Re: What a Lack of Increase Really Means for the LC

This is one of the things that really raises red flags about the LC. They think that they get to define and dictate to members whether or not they are a cult. It doesn't work that way.

When I...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 05-17-2020, 10:35 AM
Replies: 86
Views: 1,875
Posted By Freedom
Re: What a Lack of Increase Really Means for the LC

Some of the old-timers in the LC will talk about the "good ole days" or elden hall, and based on the types of testimonies from that time, the LC was probably doing some things right at that time....
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 05-16-2020, 06:52 PM
Replies: 86
Views: 1,875
Posted By Freedom
Re: What a Lack of Increase Really Means for the LC

In their Daystar article, they also go on the attack against one of the people who spoke up about what happened. It's a classic example of an ad hominem attack.

People should take note that...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 05-15-2020, 02:13 PM
Replies: 86
Views: 1,875
Posted By Freedom
Re: What a Lack of Increase Really Means for the LC

For a long time, the DCP and others have simply denied or refused to acknowledge a lot of what has been said about the LC. With the ever increasing audience that social media is reaching, that is no...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 05-14-2020, 05:09 PM
Replies: 86
Views: 1,875
Posted By Freedom
Re: What a Lack of Increase Really Means for the LC

Although this thought did come to mind when starting this thread, I think I would I would categorize it as two separate issues. Mainly because the LC just doesn't have enough in common with what is...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 05-13-2020, 12:38 PM
Replies: 86
Views: 1,875
Posted By Freedom
Re: Lack of An Increase

It's interesting to think about how in the LC, we were absolutely convinced that being 'negative' or expressing one's opinion would hinder what God is trying to do. When if fact it's completely the...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 05-13-2020, 11:34 AM
Replies: 86
Views: 1,875
Posted By Freedom
Re: Lack of An Increase

While in the LC, it was never that clear why people left. People who were extra vocal about their concerns would be accused of being 'divisive'. Or sometimes the ones who voiced concerns were told...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 05-13-2020, 11:24 AM
Replies: 86
Views: 1,875
Posted By Freedom
Re: Lack of An Increase

The usage of terms like "opposers" or "negative ones" is very deliberate, and shifts the focus away from the actual concerns at hand.

When I think about all the times that I heard people in the...
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