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Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread Yesterday, 09:47 AM
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Posted By Boxjobox
Re: Modalism

I see dear brother Untohim falling in the same quandary. Wanting to discuss the WL/LSM/LC thing only in terms of orthodox, ie church doctrine/history, where as WL on one hand would dismiss the...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread Yesterday, 09:24 AM
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Posted By Boxjobox
Re: Modalism

In reviewing posts, I saw that I missed this one, which is well worth responding to. Raptor follows the Lee method of theology of mixing, matching and coming up with derivative meanings and...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 07-06-2020, 12:27 PM
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Posted By Boxjobox
Re: Boxjobox on modalism

Man, Awareness, you left out all the great torture devices and inquisitions that enforced that doctrine, that orthodoxy! It’s too bad the Holy Spirit was so lame as to not have introduced this great...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 07-06-2020, 12:17 PM
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Posted By Boxjobox
Re: Boxjobox on modalism

Sonsofglory- it’s not that hard, really. Paul tells the Corinthians that there is but one God, the Father, and the Ephesians to hold that declaration for the oneness of the Spirit. Jesus- remember...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 07-05-2020, 08:01 PM
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Posted By Boxjobox
Re: Boxjobox on modalism

What were those errors John had to clear up? Were they errors Paul preached? They obviously were not errors that people questioned if Jesus was God, because this was not ever established as some...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 07-05-2020, 07:48 PM
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Posted By Boxjobox
Re: Boxjobox on modalism

I would highly disagree with this- WL mixed all kind of odd teachings that were not present in the foundational church as given to us in scripture. The foundational church has no triune gospel, and...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 07-05-2020, 07:40 PM
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Posted By Boxjobox
Re: Boxjobox on modalism

I would offer you to really consider that John 17:3 was written by John, quoting Jesus and it follows what Paul stated in 1 Cor 8, which is a clear and concise statement about God and Jesus. I don’t...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 07-05-2020, 07:31 PM
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Posted By Boxjobox
Re: Boxjobox on modalism

2nd and 3rd John I would consider simple and plain spoken. 1st John, on the other hand is not that plain, simple speech and here, like his gospel is hard to determine who he was speaking to and why...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 07-05-2020, 07:22 PM
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Posted By Boxjobox
Re: Boxjobox on modalism

The bigger oxymoron would be that God died! The trinitarian thing worked when you had the catholic clergy as the sole possessor of the “truth”, and could condemn people to nasty, nasty punishment...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 07-05-2020, 11:26 AM
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Posted By Boxjobox
Re: Boxjobox on modalism

So Untohim wants us to keep to an orthodoxy that takes us outside the realm of scripture to discuss how WL was wrong because he went outside the Orthodoxy and bent the scripture beyond what it was...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 07-05-2020, 11:11 AM
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Posted By Boxjobox
Re: Boxjobox on modalism

Here is my dilemma, and where I would differ from your thinking that John is telling us Jesus is God, and is consistent through his writings. John writes also 17.3 and 20.17, which would no lead me...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 07-05-2020, 10:16 AM
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Posted By Boxjobox
Re: Boxjobox on modalism

Now your last statement sounds right on to me. So, I’m curious, when you read in Rev 19 10So I fell at his feet to worship him. But he told me, “Do not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 07-04-2020, 10:39 AM
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Posted By Boxjobox
Re: Boxjobox on modalism

A case study to point out what I am saying: here is a quote from our dear friend and brother Untohim taken from the Bone of My Bone thread on the main page



Notice how he speaks of orthodoxy...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 07-04-2020, 09:49 AM
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Posted By Boxjobox
Re: Boxjobox on modalism

So then, who is the God of our Lord Jesus? This is clearly portrayed in the scripture by Jesus- read Johns words to the church in Philadelphia- that is Jesus talking to the overcomers. The...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 07-04-2020, 09:39 AM
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Posted By Boxjobox
Re: Boxjobox on modalism

Ohio, you read Rev7 through the lens of 21st century Christianity and thus miss what is stated.
9After these things I saw, and behold, a great multitude, which no man could number, out of every...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 07-03-2020, 09:31 AM
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Posted By Boxjobox
Re: Boxjobox on modalism

Your last part here about “all Christians I know believe Jesus is God”; here is an interesting exercise you may want to try: Read through Revelation 7- a heavenly scene with lots of participants,,...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 06-30-2020, 12:49 PM
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Posted By Boxjobox
Re: Boxjobox on modalism

Fairly late in his earthly ministry, Jesus asks his disciples who men say that he is, and then who do they say that he is. No one brings up you are the 2nd person of the trinity, or you are God the...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 06-30-2020, 11:49 AM
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Posted By Boxjobox
Re: Boxjobox on modalism

Untohim, do you agree of disagree that the ministry of the Holy Spirit is to bring us to into fellowship with The God and Father of our Lord Jesus.

Do you agree or disagree that the a Holy Spirit...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 06-30-2020, 10:15 AM
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Posted By Boxjobox
Re: Boxjobox on modalism

Untohim, you are using the old Untohim is a liar and never tells the truth persuasion. Now everything you say, the hearers would question your veracity. This is done quite a bit in politics, and in...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 06-30-2020, 09:38 AM
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Posted By Boxjobox
Re: Boxjobox on modalism

Ohio- have you gone through the book of Acts yet and looked at all the gospels preached and how Jesus was presented?
Peter, John, and Paul in their writing all present Jesus as the Son of God. ...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 06-29-2020, 04:45 PM
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Posted By Boxjobox
Re: Boxjobox on modalism

Sorry, I just now looked at that. John Piper starts with P that sounds like T - there's trouble right here in River City! He Meditates on the trinity. While I can appreciate some of what he says,...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 06-29-2020, 01:22 PM
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Posted By Boxjobox
Re: Boxjobox on modalism

The whole thing of one God, our Father, and Jesus, the son of God, our Lord, and our relation with the Father and with His son, really shouldn't be that hard to comprehend just from reading the...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 06-27-2020, 10:45 AM
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Posted By Boxjobox
Re: Boxjobox on modalism

Not familiar with Armstrong, but using terms that I don’t find in scripture to make definitions and then get a following to buy into terms scares me.

I ended up on this alt site because my...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 06-26-2020, 11:00 AM
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Posted By Boxjobox
Re: Boxjobox on modalism

A mystery- ok, but that’s all the reason more to take what is clearly taught in the NT by the Holy Spirit. Which is one God the Father, one Lord Jesus Christ. If we stick to this as Paul beseeches...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 06-26-2020, 10:53 AM
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Posted By Boxjobox
Re: Boxjobox on modalism

Ohio , I think I have responded to your points and presented my own with scripture. Have you gone through Acts and found a Jesus is God gospel yet?

So here is a response from me worthy of your...
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