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Forum: Introductions and Testimonies Today, 09:14 AM
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Posted By aron
Re: Awoken after 38 Years

I agree. Few have had the wherewithal to openly challenge leadership practices which allowed so many to be hurt. In spite of decades of egregious abuses and unresolved systemic issues only a few have...
Forum: Papers by various Today, 09:03 AM
Replies: 19
Views: 987
Posted By aron
Re: Open Letter - Dear Saints in the Lord's Recovery

There was a lengthy post on FB in 2014 about the DYL sect by a disaffected former member, who had quit a promising military career to serve full-time, and rose until the stench of corruption...
Forum: Papers by various Today, 06:05 AM
Replies: 19
Views: 987
Posted By aron
Re: Open Letter - Dear Saints in the Lord's Recovery

Same tactics used on Luther, on Wesley. "Don't despise the Body and its Sacrements" became a veil for ignorance and a vehicle for corruption. The church member knows something is quite off, yet is...
Forum: Papers by various Yesterday, 11:57 AM
Replies: 19
Views: 987
Posted By aron
Re: Open Letter - Dear Saints in the Lord's Recovery

Revelation 2:24,25 Now I say to the rest of you in Thyatira, to you who do not hold to her teaching and have not learned Satan’s so-called deep secrets, ‘I will not impose any other burden on you,...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? Yesterday, 10:11 AM
Replies: 50
Views: 938
Posted By aron
Re: I need a church life that isn't led astray!!!

My certitude is that I've confessed Jesus as Lord and entered a faith journey. Others have theirs, some with more certitude involved than that.

I used to fellowship with JWs and LDS on the...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? Yesterday, 08:28 AM
Replies: 50
Views: 938
Posted By aron
Re: I need a church life that isn't led astray!!!

Everyone has to figure out who to meet with, and who to avoid. My experience among those who claimed certitude has made me shy of certitude. Perhaps too shy, I admit. I try to avoid the real crazies,...
Forum: Papers by various Yesterday, 06:51 AM
Replies: 19
Views: 987
Posted By aron
Re: Open Letter - Dear Saints in the Lord's Recovery

I'm reminded of the story I once read of a torture and murder of Christian confessors. It was held in public, in the arena, with the local magistrate (praetor) presiding. You see these people held to...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 06-14-2019, 09:53 AM
Replies: 17
Views: 388
Posted By aron
Re: Greetings

Ultimately we are each responsible for our own journey. I am not an extension of Witness Lee's spiritual journey. My journey is my own. Even though many in the LC would say similar things, they...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 06-14-2019, 07:06 AM
Replies: 17
Views: 388
Posted By aron
Re: Greetings

Yes, bias got written is as "truth". When you look at it, there were going to be challenges, that one religion which prided itself on separatism, being a holy people, suddenly invited all the...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 06-14-2019, 02:19 AM
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Views: 388
Posted By aron
Re: Greetings

One that quickly comes to mind is Daniel Boyarin's "Border Lines", about how early Christian polemicists (e.g., the "Church Fathers") essentially invented something called "Judaism" as a kind of...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 06-13-2019, 02:21 AM
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Views: 388
Posted By aron
Re: Greetings

I was born into the Protestant cultural milieu, and at a young age found myself in a Baptist pew with a stark choice: repent and believe into Jesus Christ or be damned for all eternity. Naturally, I...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 06-12-2019, 01:24 PM
Replies: 17
Views: 388
Posted By aron
Re: Greetings

I have long felt that everyone's voice is as important to them as mine is to me. And so I welcome every testimony. Every perspective has the potential to add value to the discussion. Welcome...
Forum: Papers by various 06-12-2019, 09:44 AM
Replies: 19
Views: 987
Posted By aron
Re: Open Letter - Dear Saints in the Lord's Recovery

The other thing I liked about the post was that I've long felt that more females should speak up about the legacy of abuse. Here's what I wrote 6 months ago:

The reason females have been pushed...
Forum: Papers by various 06-12-2019, 07:23 AM
Replies: 19
Views: 987
Posted By aron
Re: Open Letter - Dear Saints in the Lord's Recovery

It resonated strongly with me. Especially the part about identifying fear as the controlling force. The LC leadership uses intimidation. They have the freedom to speak horrible things from the podium...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 06-12-2019, 07:00 AM
Replies: 50
Views: 938
Posted By aron
Re: I need a church life that isn't led astray!!!

In my case, I feel LDS and JWs are 'over the line' and not genuine Christians. SDA have added the law and imposed it on the gentiles. So they are perilously close to being 'out' if in fact not...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 06-12-2019, 02:19 AM
Replies: 50
Views: 938
Posted By aron
Re: I need a church life that isn't led astray!!!

I've already mentioned the incongruity of the LC lauding WN for sifting through thousands of different Christian books and forming a coherent and balanced view, and we can't do the same with his...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 06-11-2019, 12:42 PM
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Views: 938
Posted By aron
Re: I need a church life that isn't led astray!!!

The Book of Mormon is an addition to scripture, not an interpretation of existing canon. Seems like a clear difference to me. Although the uncritical reception of the Lee hermeneutic within the LC,...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 06-10-2019, 10:26 PM
Replies: 50
Views: 938
Posted By aron
Re: I need a church life that isn't led astray!!!

If you are not so clear then try to give the benefit of the doubt. God can make things clear. One must always be cautious, and when caring for vulnerable children even moreso. But one must also be...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 06-10-2019, 03:06 AM
Replies: 50
Views: 938
Posted By aron
Re: I need a church life that isn't led astray!!!

But Jesus was a man who was not in total depravity and it is in this man that we hope, not in ourselves. I see him choosing the Father's will and I choose him.

Then we come to the question of...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 06-10-2019, 02:22 AM
Replies: 50
Views: 938
Posted By aron
Re: I need a church life that isn't led astray!!!

I don't think "a state of ruin" is too strong. The Church in toto has been in a state of ruin, and this has resulted in various attempts at recovery or reformation or restoration, which merely modify...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 06-08-2019, 08:45 AM
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Views: 938
Posted By aron
Re: I need a church life that isn't led astray!!!

Well then there you have it. You don't want the children in your care to sit under teachings that you yourself don't agree with.

But at the same time the apostles' word is to be at peace with all,...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 06-07-2019, 10:06 AM
Replies: 50
Views: 938
Posted By aron
Re: I need a church life that isn't led astray!!!

Put another way, if you held opinions contrary to the pastor and the elders, but didn't make them a point of contention, would they tolerate you?

I think about the children a lot. Do they want to...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 06-07-2019, 07:39 AM
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Views: 938
Posted By aron
Re: I need a church life that isn't led astray!!!

JB thank you for the kind affirmation.

In retrospect I didn't engage the body of the initial post, with regard to understanding scripture correctly, and the impact that can have on one's spiritual...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 06-07-2019, 03:10 AM
Replies: 50
Views: 938
Posted By aron
Re: I need a church life that isn't led astray!!!

Beware - if you ask 50 Christian's this question, you will get 35 different answers. Not that any of them are more wrong or right, but folks have different ways of solving problems such as this.
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Forum: Early Lee - Later Lee 06-07-2019, 02:33 AM
Replies: 139
Views: 60,140
Posted By aron
Re: The Ministry Becomes the Lampstand

Actually those ambitious for selfish gain and selfish position have a clear route to the top - slavishly laud the MOTA. Tell everyone, "We owe him our lives" and so forth. Those who promote the MOTA...
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