Forum: Apologetic discussions
01-08-2014, 11:42 AM
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Replies: 52
Views: 38,273
Re: Love vs. Purity
Please re-post if you have the time. I'd like to read more of your views on this topic.
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Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here?
01-08-2014, 11:36 AM
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Replies: 110
Views: 97,951
Re: Combating LC Arguments
I'm not sure how you are arriving at this "sense" or how exactly you are defining "narrow path" but in the examples you use Paul was addressing adding to and subtracting from the gospel. In...
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Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here?
01-06-2014, 11:08 PM
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Replies: 110
Views: 97,951
Re: Combating LC Arguments
I agree we should be careful about this matter. As long as others are not trying to impose their non-essentials on us we should respect their right to worship according to their conscience and...
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Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here?
01-03-2014, 01:29 PM
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Replies: 110
Views: 97,951
Re: Combating LC Arguments
My preferred question is: What would Jesus have me to do?
In any event I think we may be talking about two different things. In the examples you give the parties Jesus is addressing are not...
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Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here?
01-02-2014, 02:21 PM
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Replies: 110
Views: 97,951
Re: Combating LC Arguments
I'm not sure who the "them" is in your question but my own view is that unless a current LC system member is emphatically trying to impose his/her views on you then it is more or less pointless to...
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Forum: Introductions and Testimonies
12-19-2013, 01:55 PM
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Replies: 95
Views: 58,646
Re: My Views and Stance on The Recovery
The premise of the LC system requires a black backdrop. If Witness Lee cannot paint Christianity as the big bad whore then who needs the "The Recovery" - that remnant group of God's super special...
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Forum: Introductions and Testimonies
12-17-2013, 12:01 PM
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Replies: 95
Views: 58,646
Re: My Views and Stance on The Recovery
I agree. The idea that Christians are or should be a block politically flies in the face of on-the-ground reality. Some Christians act as if Jesus is a white suburbanite who votes Republican in...
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Forum: Introductions and Testimonies
11-20-2013, 01:27 PM
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Replies: 95
Views: 58,646
Re: My Views and Stance on The Recovery
IMHO this is a good attitude to have and indicates you know how the LC system works. It seems you have friends there and enjoy their company and fellowship. Unfortunately many will not be your...
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Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here?
11-18-2013, 02:46 PM
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Replies: 84
Views: 76,692
Re: Excommunicated!
Sadly as you have found out first hand from your own experience the LC system leadership are woefully ill-equipped to offer counsel on marriage and any other number of important issues that matter to...
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Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here?
11-12-2013, 07:00 PM
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Replies: 84
Views: 76,692
Re: Excommunicated!
This is a great realization and experience and explodes the myth propagated by the LSM that you can only be sanctified in their church, if you leave their church God's divine retribution will rain...
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Forum: If you really Nee to know
11-08-2013, 06:21 PM
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Replies: 10
Views: 6,402
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Forum: Writings and Concerns of Steve Isitt
11-08-2013, 12:02 PM
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Replies: 655
Views: 386,386
Re: Who Cares About Ambition?
Yep! And ultimately it created a culture of passivity and dependency on him and his ministry.
This maybe how they are now in the "Recovery" but there were some generations who grew up (in...
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Forum: Writings and Concerns of Steve Isitt
11-07-2013, 12:50 PM
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Replies: 655
Views: 386,386
Re: An Appeal to Ron Kangas
The whole "unfulfilled ambitions" explanation is just a red herring to distract those questioning away from probing into the real reasons these senior coworkers had legit concerns.
Personally I...
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Forum: Writings and Concerns of Steve Isitt
11-06-2013, 06:27 PM
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Replies: 655
Views: 386,386
Re: An Appeal to Ron Kangas
This was one of a few off the shelf stock explanations used by Witness Lee & Co. But to use this particular one for the coworkers who were ousted in the late 1980s is really grasping at straws - to...
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Forum: Writings and Concerns of Steve Isitt
11-06-2013, 05:08 PM
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Replies: 655
Views: 386,386
Re: An Appeal to Ron Kangas
Of course they were aware! Philip Lee's conduct was an open secret in The Church in Anaheim (more or less as a whole) and in Irving for those who worked at LSM.
But who played whom? Knowing that...
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Forum: If you really Nee to know
11-06-2013, 11:41 AM
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Replies: 77
Views: 37,069
Re: Wright Doyle's Biography of Nee
Absolutely! Any history of the LC system/Little Flock coming out of LSM cannot be taken seriously. It is promotional marketing material.
Yes he would!
Witness Lee had a certain historical...
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Forum: Writings and Concerns of Steve Isitt
10-21-2013, 12:01 PM
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Replies: 655
Views: 386,386
Re: An Appeal to Ron Kangas
This is another classic example of why I would never trust the LC system leadership. When John Ingalls presented his concerns especially regarding Philip Lee to Benson Phillips and Ray Graver they...
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Forum: Writings and Concerns of Steve Isitt
10-18-2013, 03:06 PM
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Replies: 655
Views: 386,386
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Forum: Writings and Concerns of Steve Isitt
10-18-2013, 11:07 AM
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Replies: 655
Views: 386,386
Re: www.BrotherAndrewYu.com
I completely agree but sadly this is how their system works. The MOTA i.e. Witness Lee was the top global apostle with absolute authority. (And somehow this authority was passed on to the committee...
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Forum: Writings and Concerns of Steve Isitt
10-18-2013, 10:50 AM
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Replies: 655
Views: 386,386
Re: "Subtle" Issues of Right and Wrong
In any corporation if you are a "company man" you will turn a blind eye to anything immoral, unethical and even unlawful for the cause of the corporation. And this kind of behavior will typically...
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Forum: Writings and Concerns of Steve Isitt
10-15-2013, 01:00 PM
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Replies: 655
Views: 386,386
Re: www.BrotherAndrewYu.com
Yes there may be such a nuance. But Titus Chu in terms of the LC system is an apostle/coworker with apostolic authority i.e. beyond the local level. Yet this committee at LSM HQ 3,000 miles away...
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Forum: Writings and Concerns of Steve Isitt
10-15-2013, 12:50 PM
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Replies: 655
Views: 386,386
Re: "Subtle" Issues of Right and Wrong
It should be pointed out that to most in Anaheim and certainly LSM staffers like Kangas Philip Lee was a known quantity even before his behavior as described above by Ohio. He was an ill-tempered...
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Forum: Writings and Concerns of Steve Isitt
10-13-2013, 08:11 PM
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Replies: 655
Views: 386,386
Re: www.BrotherAndrewYu.com
Except if that person in authority disagrees with Witness Lee. In which case his authority can be overturned, revoked, overthrown and expired. Why? Because Witness Lee said so!
Ahhh...but now...
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Forum: Writings and Concerns of Steve Isitt
10-13-2013, 07:51 PM
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Replies: 655
Views: 386,386
Re: SUBTLE ISSUES OF RIGHT AND WRONG
Indeed! If you can convince people of this then you have license to do whatever you want and their screaming consciences are invalidated.
But within the context of the entire Bible life is...
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Forum: Writings and Concerns of Steve Isitt
10-13-2013, 10:32 AM
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Replies: 655
Views: 386,386
Re: An Appeal to Ron Kangas
Am I serious that Ron should man-up and have face-to-face fellowship with Steve Isitt? Yes! Do I think he will man-up? No! Manning-up is not Ron's strong suit. If it was he would have tried to...
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