Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice
10-14-2008, 04:28 AM
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Pauline Clerical Systems
Well, let's look at something, here, shall we?
In 1 Tim., Paul told Timothy to remain in Ephesus to straighten some things out in that assembly, including with regard to overseership.
We also...
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Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice
10-12-2008, 11:26 PM
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Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice
10-12-2008, 12:19 PM
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Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice
10-08-2008, 04:21 AM
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Re: The tone of aron's posts
I read all the new posts (at least, on the threads I'm interested in reading) and if there's cross-talk or overlapping dialog between threads I don't think that's a harm. And if the topic of...
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Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice
10-02-2008, 04:23 AM
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The right to pay.
I'm really distressed about the model Paul apparently lays out for a paid clergy. While he himself made tents and at least on this cited occasion declined to accept anything monetary, he has...
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Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice
09-30-2008, 04:29 AM
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Re: Eldership
I think it's obvious. :iagree:
Realizing some can argue straight hair into curly, I don't think there's any real controversy with your reading there. And I'm not certain it should be done...
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Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice
09-29-2008, 05:02 AM
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Re: Eldership
Well, then, try this one:
From the examples actually found in scripture, it would seem that elders were only appointed by apostles or co-workers. Apostolic appointment is in Acts 14:23 and...
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Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice
09-28-2008, 11:11 AM
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Re: Appointment of Elders in Acts
There is more confirming going on. A good deal of confirmation, actually, now that you mention it.
But I don't see any clear connection with the choosing or selection of elders in this...
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Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice
09-28-2008, 05:52 AM
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Appointment of Elders in Acts
The following seems to be the first occasion that we see the practice of the "appointment of elders" and this is something quite curious.
I firstly note that this was something accomplished by...
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Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice
09-28-2008, 05:33 AM
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Re: Eldership
From the start of Acts, the term "elder" was used to refer to those who accompanied more formal Jewish leadership. They appear distinct at every point.
From these verses the Jewish elders do...
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Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice
09-26-2008, 08:00 AM
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Re: The tone of my posts
I think you're too hard on yourself about your tone, aron. When I'm requesting that you prepare your book draft for final editing, I'll ask you to kindly formalize your tone. Otherwise, an informal...
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Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice
09-26-2008, 03:20 AM
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Re: Eldership
Just a side note, but I've discovered that some denominations look at Peter's verse in 1 Tim. 5:17 in a very different way.
They note that there are some who labor "in word and teaching" and...
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Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice
09-25-2008, 05:21 AM
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Re: Eldership
OK, here's at least part of the math that's been escaping me to date.
I found this somewhere online:
Add to this another long quote and I think that about covers the waterfront:
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Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice
09-22-2008, 02:01 AM
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Re: Eldership
Many of the traditional teachings I have received uplift Paul as a purely New Covenant teacher whose writings testify of his utter rejection of all things Jewish and whose occasional lapses into...
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Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice
09-20-2008, 06:29 AM
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Re: Eldership
Interesting, but why is this term used but once? It's not just an example. Acts 5:21 is the only scriptural occurrence outside the LXX.
And why is it used in the same book where the other term...
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Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice
09-19-2008, 09:21 AM
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Re: Eldership
Well, if anything, I think I would still accuse myself of being "of Paul."
I'm just not ready to become "of Ignatius" today, although I do agree that the question of whether he was "of John" in...
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Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice
09-19-2008, 09:15 AM
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Re: Pseudographia
I've known a couple of historians in my day. I've got the witness of the Spirit with my spirit. I'm fairly comfortable where I'm at as regards such matters.
As to the issue of whether this was...
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Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice
09-19-2008, 09:02 AM
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Re: Eldership
Well, for the time being, I'm just going to lay them aside!
YIPES!
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Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice
09-19-2008, 08:20 AM
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Replies: 106
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Re: Eldership
Affirmation by negation is a favorite technique of mine.
Apophasis is the process of defining something by saying what it is not. A very handy and oft neglected form of inquiry.
"Is it bigger...
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Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice
09-19-2008, 08:01 AM
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Replies: 106
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Re: Eldership
I think this is an excellent question, to which I currenlty have no answer.
But asserting that the clear New Testament practice of having elders an "expediency" seems to me to an extremely...
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Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice
09-19-2008, 07:56 AM
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Re: Pseudographia
It would seem to me that something presented as being something that it is not is not capable of being considered the truth of God because it is fundamentally false.
I suppose others might have...
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Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice
09-19-2008, 05:15 AM
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Re: Eldership
That is true.
It is also true that early scribes making early copies may have done the same, which is a very popular academic theory, especially in the case of the Timothy and Titus epistles. ...
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Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice
09-19-2008, 02:22 AM
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Re: Eldership
aron, surely you do not compare Paul's practical instructions to Timothy on how to maintain a widows' roll with Job's wife's advice!
What you have written concerning Paul's letters seems to fly in...
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Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice
09-18-2008, 11:31 AM
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Replies: 106
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aron, if the "elders" of the synagogue were...
aron, if the "elders" of the synagogue were responsible for handling the "widows' roll," I think that might be a significant insight
my point wasn't about the care for others in general -...
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Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice
09-18-2008, 11:14 AM
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Replies: 106
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