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Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century Today, 03:47 AM
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Posted By aron
Re: Minoru Chen: "Growth in The Local Church in USA flat since 1985"

I agree. Fear has a great holding power. Fear of ostracism, fear of shaming, fear of the unknown - "Religious Babylon" waits outside the LC. Shall we review it again? Fallen, devilish, satanic...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread Today, 03:41 AM
Replies: 54
Views: 393
Posted By aron
Re: How do you know God cares?

Maybe you're trying to put something divine in your bucket but you don't have a bucket. Maybe you're trying to feel God's care within the LC paradigm. Maybe God is waiting for a new bucket, a new...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread Yesterday, 05:46 PM
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Posted By aron
Re: What is The Word?

This is admirably well done. There's a lot I could add, but I'm not sure how much it would improve it.
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread Yesterday, 08:22 AM
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Posted By aron
Re: How do you know God cares?

The moment I found faith to smile at a stranger, my life changed. I call that God. I found out that it takes just as much effort to frown as to smile.

"My yoke is easy, and my burden light". God...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century Yesterday, 08:10 AM
Replies: 24
Views: 499
Posted By aron
Re: Minoru Chen: "Growth in The Local Church in USA flat since 1985"

Until the LC addresses its hidden history there will be little growth. Chinese family culture is strong, so the "ABC" second- and third-generation will remain to some extent. And new immigrants...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century Yesterday, 04:18 AM
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Posted By aron
Re: Minoru Chen: "Growth in The Local Church in USA flat since 1985"

Two things LC apologists forget to mention in discussing their history of growth followed by non- growth. First, that Daystar was neither rebellion nor anti-cult attack but was 100% Witness Lee....
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 02-18-2019, 11:43 AM
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Posted By aron
Re: How do you know God cares?

It was sort of a random act of kindness on my part, to smile and say hello, because there was no reason to smile, especially because my life was trending sharply downward at the point, and it had...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 02-17-2019, 05:51 PM
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Posted By aron
Re: How do you know God cares?

What helped me the most was to know God as those who wrote the NT knew God (or 'were known by God' - Gal 4:9; cf 1 Cor 8:3), thus I can't say that I know God, but rather have begun to appreciate how...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 02-17-2019, 05:12 PM
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Posted By aron
Re: Feeling shame and learning to trust again after leaving the LCs

Consider a person from North Korea who just escaped. All their life they were told of the evil outside world. New York City, for instance, is supposedly full of heroin addicts, muggers and rapists....
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 02-17-2019, 04:51 PM
Replies: 24
Views: 499
Posted By aron
Re: Minoru Chen: "Growth in The Local Church in USA flat since 1985"

This estimate of numbers based on what? One of Witness Lee's messages? I remember one: "If you would each go out and blah-blah-blah, surely you would each gain two new ones within the next blah-blah....
Forum: Papers by various 02-17-2019, 04:29 PM
Replies: 6
Views: 141
Posted By aron
Layman's Fellowship

Recently came across a blog called "Layman's Fellowship", by someone who grew up in the Local Church of Witness Lee. It seems to be a work in progress, but what progress made thus far has some...
Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice 02-15-2019, 08:00 AM
Replies: 43
Views: 3,229
Posted By aron
Re: 'Ground of the Church'

The LC apologist says, "It is not a name, but a description". But that is fantasy. The term "local church" is not in any way a description of the assembled group. With them, non-local affiliation...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 02-14-2019, 03:58 PM
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Views: 146,555
Posted By aron
Re: The Asian Mind/The Western Mind

I don't know how many of the new Sydney [Titus Chu] Church Christians I listed are recent immigrants from China, and how many are Australian-born Chinese. But I think that Witness Lee's statement...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 02-14-2019, 04:00 AM
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Posted By aron
Re: The Asian Mind/The Western Mind

I daresay there are also some LSM-affiliated believers in Sydney. But the very point of a local church has vanished, its ground. Its existence and identity are now tied to foreign affiliation, and...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 02-13-2019, 04:25 PM
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Views: 146,555
Posted By aron
Re: Cultural shift - paradigm shift?

Here's an excerpt from the recent (Feb 2019) newsletter of the Church in Sydney (Australia) affiliated with Titus Chu:And to show that this demographic constituency isn't a fluke, here's from their...
Forum: Writings of Former Members 02-12-2019, 05:38 PM
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Posted By aron
Re: important excerpts from Don Rutledge and Jane Anderson

The above confirms my earlier post on the issue of a minister abusing his authority in the church. Poor business decisions. Fraud. Money laundering. A supposed "investment" with promised "profits"...
Forum: Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes 02-12-2019, 10:58 AM
Replies: 132
Views: 48,478
Posted By aron
Re: Examining LSM's Eschatology - Revelation's 7 Churches TOMES

My interpretation is guided by a simple question: What would one expect this to mean to its first-century recipients? Remember that these were actual letters to actual people. Would we expect any of...
Forum: Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes 02-12-2019, 08:45 AM
Replies: 132
Views: 48,478
Posted By aron
Re: Examining LSM's Eschatology - Revelation's 7 Churches TOMES

What if Jesus is coming quickly to all 7, but 4 of them, having become somnolent, need to be reminded of this fact?
Forum: Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes 02-12-2019, 03:37 AM
Replies: 132
Views: 48,478
Posted By aron
Re: Examining LSM's Eschatology - Revelation's 7 Churches TOMES

The letters to the 7 churches were universal, "to show his servants these things which must quickly take place". Each church was to read all the letters.

I see no indication in the text that folks...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 02-10-2019, 10:31 AM
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Views: 27,374
Posted By aron
Re: One Publication

I respectfully disagree on two fronts. First, one must figure out what happened to truly move on. It's like a relationship - the danger is that you break off an abusive one & simply enter another....
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 02-10-2019, 09:06 AM
Replies: 406
Views: 27,374
Posted By aron
Re: One Publication

Children in "local church" families don't have choice: they're born and they're inside, at least temporarily. Those who joined 35 or 50 years ago didn't know any better. The history of control was...
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 02-09-2019, 12:36 PM
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Views: 747
Posted By aron
Re: Recommended Christian Books, Authors, Blogs or Videos

One wonders how many in the group that stresses the "so subjective Christ" feel inner unease or disquiet as the man up on the dias talks of "great spiritual persons" and "spiritual giants". And just...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 02-07-2019, 03:19 PM
Replies: 94
Views: 37,389
Posted By aron
Re: Arthur M. Casci Testimony

Yes some of that seeking involved risks or as I put it, hazards. Thus the reference to John Bunyan's ''The Pilgrim's Progress''. It always amazes me that the Jesus People phenomenon occurred. I don't...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 02-07-2019, 08:56 AM
Replies: 94
Views: 37,389
Posted By aron
Re: Arthur M. Casci Testimony

"We've got to get ourselves back to the garden". Which garden?

Casci and awareness were talking of trying out different sects, some of which in hindsight were pretty sketchy. My point is that they...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 02-07-2019, 03:53 AM
Replies: 94
Views: 37,389
Posted By aron
Re: Arthur M. Casci Testimony

I came upon a child of God
He was walking along the road
And I asked him where are you going
And this he told me
I’m going on down to Yasgur’s farm
I’m going to join in a rock ‘n’ roll band
I’m...
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