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Forum: Papers by various 07-05-2019, 12:12 PM
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Posted By Terry
Re: Open Letter - Dear Saints in the Lord's Recovery

Having concerns becomes equated with "attacking" the ministry.
Hey, our conscience and our emotions don't come equipped with an on/off switch. They can't be turned on or off at whim.
No one having...
Forum: Papers by various 06-30-2019, 08:33 PM
Replies: 159
Views: 6,626
Posted By Terry
Re: Open Letter - Dear Saints in the Lord's Recovery

Yeah some of us it takes longer than others and some of us spend some of the time defending the cult label (in my case it was "it's all in the leadership") until we can no longer defend the...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 06-27-2019, 12:13 PM
Replies: 7
Views: 841
Posted By Terry
Re: Marriage in the "Lord's Recovery"

I think that's true. Agree or disagree my observation is FTT has created a class system and that creates problems for some when it comes to marriage prospects.
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 06-24-2019, 12:06 PM
Replies: 16
Views: 2,317
Posted By Terry
Re: Royalties ?

According to Philip Lin in his book Sacrifice and Sail On, the answer is no. Skeptical as I am, documentation would be more convincing.
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 06-24-2019, 11:44 AM
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Views: 841
Posted By Terry
Re: Marriage in the "Lord's Recovery"

My daughter watches The Handsmaid's Tale series. I tried to explain to her how it parallels the local church environment I was raised in. If you submit to "the brother's fellowship" they will tell...
Forum: Papers by various 06-21-2019, 12:02 PM
Replies: 159
Views: 6,626
Posted By Terry
Re: Open Letter - Dear Saints in the Lord's Recovery

A side point at that time in Anaheim (I was there 1976-1979), it's not only the parents who remained open to Max that suffered, but THEIR CHILDREN TOO. Friendships were squashed among churchkids by...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 06-20-2019, 12:16 PM
Replies: 55
Views: 2,616
Posted By Terry
Re: Awoken after 38 Years

The "Streisand effect". That's exactly what happened with lawsuits in the early 80's. Brothers warn the saints not to read such and such book. In fact brothers and sisters would do the opposite. Go...
Forum: Papers by various 06-20-2019, 11:56 AM
Replies: 159
Views: 6,626
Posted By Terry
Re: Open Letter - Dear Saints in the Lord's Recovery

That has been an endless narrative. The go-to explanation why so and so left the local churches.
If we operate on facts, where are the facts to support the LSM narrative?
Never have been any....
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 06-19-2019, 01:18 PM
Replies: 55
Views: 2,616
Posted By Terry
Re: Awoken after 38 Years

Seems same can be said of Philippines and much of Southeast Asia being closed to Witness Lee. Then came the World Fair in Seattle 1962. Could that be what led Witness Lee to the U.S.?
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 06-19-2019, 01:13 PM
Replies: 55
Views: 2,616
Posted By Terry
Re: Awoken after 38 Years

Past few years I've been out of touch with the ongoings from the LSM pulpit. I got the impression from a post several months back that John Ingalls is still being smeared by the narrative LSM wants...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 06-18-2019, 11:53 AM
Replies: 55
Views: 2,616
Posted By Terry
Re: Awoken after 38 Years

The Emperor's New Clothes is a brilliant analogy of what many of us have gone through. See what's really going on. Until you find a forum such as this it can be quite maddening thinking "how is it I...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 05-03-2019, 12:40 PM
Replies: 91
Views: 4,071
Posted By Terry
Re: Depression and the LCs

Agreed Ohio. As a teen and as an adult in the local churches, I often thought the problem was me. My concepts. Result I kept my thoughts and my opinions to myself.
I don't know if trust accurately...
Forum: Writings of Former Members 05-03-2019, 12:25 PM
Replies: 13
Views: 1,261
Posted By Terry
Re: Are All Christian Groups Spiritual Fornicators?

Then you have places like Seattle, WA and Bellevue, WA that have congregations heavily influenced by Lee and Nee. Those local churches influenced by Lee (aka LSM) want nothing to do with the Nee...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 03-27-2019, 11:42 AM
Replies: 14
Views: 1,287
Posted By Terry
Re: report from mainland China

That's what I've heard for decades. Though what makes the LC any different?
It's like a mirror. With all the criticism and accusations slung at non-denominational Christianity it's reflects back to...
Forum: Writings and Concerns of Steve Isitt 03-26-2019, 12:05 PM
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Views: 263,552
Posted By Terry
Re: Leaders of the Lord's Recovery

Ron's word regarding John Ingalls very much epitomizes the political nature of church and society in general. What actually happened and what was printed....toss the facts out. It's opinions...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 03-26-2019, 11:56 AM
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Views: 199,963
Posted By Terry
Re: Politics and the Church

By the time Obama left office his wealth was estimate at 20 million. Based on presidential salary alone it would have been 3.2 million.
Mr No Name his wealth was estimated around 200 million before...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 03-26-2019, 11:51 AM
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Posted By Terry
Re: Politics and the Church

That's the direction the house of Representatives will be taking the next two years. Try to dig up dirt on President Trump through various committees. Surely if they go back far enough, there is...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 03-25-2019, 12:09 PM
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Views: 199,963
Posted By Terry
Re: Politics and the Church

If there's no matters of national security to protect, for transparency sake it should be. What's in the dark should be brought into the light.
However if there's still nothing to be seen, I would...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 03-15-2019, 12:13 PM
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Views: 199,963
Posted By Terry
Re: Politics and the Church

Another phrase is "crazy like a fox". I used to think what a buffoon for his excessive use of twitter.
I've come to think it's his way of sending a message to a certain person or certain persons,...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 03-15-2019, 12:06 PM
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Views: 199,963
Posted By Terry
Re: Politics and the Church

Remember the Witness Lee quote "people change"?
Well yes people do change. Suppose he was a racist at one time, does that mean President Trump is a racist now and incapable of change?
People to...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 02-01-2019, 07:58 PM
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Views: 199,963
Posted By Terry
What exactly is the Deep State?

What exactly is the Deep State? This presentation by Alex Newman lies it all out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YUcUoFveJc
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 01-24-2019, 01:47 PM
Replies: 483
Views: 39,583
Posted By Terry
Re: One Publication

In the 90's I was a twenty-something young adult. I recall thinking who has the time much less the money for all these books?
It was insane there were new books weekly and there was a weekly sales...
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 01-24-2019, 01:37 PM
Replies: 10
Views: 732
Posted By Terry
Re: Arranged Marriages and Divorce in LC

In my opinion state of non-LC marriages depends more on the relationship between husband and wife than where they meet for fellowship.
Whereas in the local churches the state of the marriage depends...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 01-23-2019, 12:34 PM
Replies: 160
Views: 14,238
Posted By Terry
Re: False Narrative of Church History

Speaking of false narrative, I've been following the Russian Collusion investigation for weeks. I've done my share of reading and come away knowing this parallels the narrative from Fermentation of...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 01-23-2019, 12:26 PM
Replies: 42
Views: 1,534
Posted By Terry
Re: Fake News aka Winston Smith

One person's opinion. I would say think critically as many of us have done here on this forum. Would we be here if we didn't?
As for Mueller, there's nothing of substance to be found. When the...
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