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Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 02-07-2020, 11:19 AM
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Posted By OBW
Re: Fixing the Problems Helps Everyone Concerned, even LC Leadership

And when Paul said "nullified," he would be declaring that grace was failing to be realized, not that it is lost or eliminated.

So I guess now that we are on the same page.
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 02-07-2020, 11:11 AM
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Views: 326,293
Posted By OBW
Re: Politics and the Church - Impeachable?

Sounds a little like the kind of propaganda that adds demeaning nicknames for everyone that disagrees with Trump. (In other words, you forgot the Republican apparatus.) The group that declares...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 02-07-2020, 10:37 AM
Replies: 102
Views: 11,269
Posted By OBW
Re: Quotes and Quips

It just seems like stating something too obvious. Is there somewhere that people suggest that Moses or Paul were aloof relative to their human surroundings? It is just too unimpressive or meaningful...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 02-07-2020, 10:28 AM
Replies: 30
Views: 758
Posted By OBW
Re: Fixing the Problems Helps Everyone Concerned, even LC Leadership

You said a lot of true things. But I don't think you really addressed my concern. I did not say that anything of the law was beneficial (or of any value), but that any action under the law did not...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 02-06-2020, 03:39 PM
Replies: 102
Views: 11,269
Posted By OBW
Re: Quotes and Quips

I'm a little perplexed. That Ravi Zacharias quote is so void of context that I cannot figure out why it was said or what it really means.

Am I missing something?
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 02-06-2020, 03:30 PM
Replies: 30
Views: 758
Posted By OBW
Re: Fixing the Problems Helps Everyone Concerned, even LC Leadership

Can you help me see where it is that anything added nullifies God's grace? I find that the thing added does nothing, but have not found where also doing something from the law nullified the grace...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 02-06-2020, 11:26 AM
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Views: 326,293
Posted By OBW
Re: Politics and the Church - Impeachable?

You did not actually say anything about my point. I never said that Biden didn't get the guy fired. It was a point of US policy that required it. I guess you are still stuck on the ignorant notion...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 02-05-2020, 05:56 PM
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Views: 326,293
Posted By OBW
Re: Politics and the Church - Impeachable?

The problem is that the prosecutor was not investigating anything. Not even Burisma. The guy fired was at least somewhat tied back to the prior regime and had no desire to uncover anything. If...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 02-05-2020, 05:39 PM
Replies: 102
Views: 11,269
Posted By OBW
Re: Quotes and Quips - "enable men to become sons of God"

I don't think the example would be just for shock, though it initially does that.

And it is not "less meaningful." More like just plain wrong.

But it sounds nice . . . especially if you already...
Forum: Fellowship Hall 01-29-2020, 11:15 AM
Replies: 5
Views: 323
Posted By OBW
Re: Folk Religion

aron,

Not sure how to understand the first of your post relative to the end. You seem to be punting on any ability to recognize something unsubstantiated because you believe in those 4 unprovable...
Forum: Fellowship Hall 01-27-2020, 10:23 AM
Replies: 5
Views: 323
Posted By OBW
Folk Religion

I read something during the last week that reminded me of some of the flaws in the LC, and, unfortunately, in the thinking of many people in many of the churches some of us attend. I don't hear it in...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 01-20-2020, 09:48 AM
Replies: 70
Views: 8,711
Posted By OBW
Re: Sad Funny Ridiculous

Sounds like a modern reenactment of the scene in Pride and Prejudice where Mr Collins (here played by Dan T) comes to gloat over the condition of his poor cousins after Lydia is found to have eloped...
Forum: Christian Movements/Ministries 01-20-2020, 09:29 AM
Replies: 55
Views: 3,280
Posted By OBW
Re: LordsRecovery.Org Exposing the Christian Cult of Witness Lee's Local Ch

Yes, we are accountable for the lack of love. But the reason for the lack of love was that it was drained away from us through the pesha (see the thread on truth) of Lee. And that pesha came to...
Forum: Christian Movements/Ministries 01-18-2020, 05:00 PM
Replies: 17
Views: 864
Posted By OBW
Re: A Review of Hank's Recent Book.

It might appear that way. But I found during my years moving from simply not being there, then to questioning more than just poor practices and Phariseeism, then beyond that, that there was something...
Forum: Christian Movements/Ministries 01-18-2020, 08:13 AM
Replies: 17
Views: 864
Posted By OBW
Re: A Review of Hank's Recent Book.

Your presumption as to how complete the corruption in some of those places was is not supported by the scripture. Besides, the speaking actually recorded in the scripture was not from within those...
Forum: Christian Movements/Ministries 01-17-2020, 05:22 PM
Replies: 17
Views: 864
Posted By OBW
Re: A Review of Hank's Recent Book.

I don't care how much anyone wraps their (or others') words in outward signs of exuberance or of deep emotional impact, you can't just presume "anointing" if the source of what raised the outward...
Forum: Christian Movements/Ministries 01-16-2020, 03:43 PM
Replies: 17
Views: 864
Posted By OBW
Re: A Review of Hank's Recent Book.

I'd say that for a lot of things, including where and how we get our teaching. I'd rather have someone with a reasonable amount of training (perhaps a degree) from a reputable seminary be responsible...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 01-16-2020, 02:46 PM
Replies: 304
Views: 82,347
Posted By OBW
Re: What is God's Economy?

Well, that would definitely be part of God's economy. And if someone had tried to define it to not be a part, then it clearly should be included.
Forum: Apologetic discussions 01-16-2020, 08:04 AM
Replies: 304
Views: 82,347
Posted By OBW
Re: What is God's Economy?

I'm not sure what you are getting at here. Are you saying that the activities of all of Christ's followers are the same? That everyone engages in the acts that are demonstrated by the apostles?

I...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 01-15-2020, 08:29 PM
Replies: 304
Views: 82,347
Posted By OBW
Re: What is God's Economy?

It is, after all, the ACTS of the Apostles, not the Teachings of the Apostles.
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 01-15-2020, 12:59 PM
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Views: 326,293
Posted By OBW
Re: Politics and the Church

Before you accuse me . . . .
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 01-15-2020, 12:04 PM
Replies: 56
Views: 1,906
Posted By OBW
Re: Bible as the Absolute Authority

I do not necessarily have a problem with what is effectively some kind of "testimony time." But the very pattern of the teaching Jesus, of the things he said and taught to his disciples that were...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 01-15-2020, 08:51 AM
Replies: 5,969
Views: 326,293
Posted By OBW
Re: Politics and the Church

Wow! The knowledge of what I was thinking and meaning is mindboggling for someone who . . . well . . . hasn't a clue.

But I will return to my primary reason for stepping into the mud pit that you...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 01-15-2020, 08:16 AM
Replies: 304
Views: 82,347
Posted By OBW
Re: What is God's Economy?

I first wondered how to consider aron's most recent post "on topic." Then I realized that without ever saying the words, it is a prime example of God's economy. It is the result of healthy teachings....
Forum: Apologetic discussions 01-15-2020, 07:32 AM
Replies: 304
Views: 82,347
Posted By OBW
Re: What is God's Economy?

I would not presume that just because Paul was talking about the house of God that the term should be understood in its most primitive form. There are many words that may have origins in separate...
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