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Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 04-14-2019, 02:07 PM
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Posted By zeek
Re: Politics and the Church

Maybe he'll put his hand on his shoulder and kiss him on the neck.
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 03-27-2019, 09:00 PM
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Posted By zeek
Re: Politics and the Church

Kinda like what Obama did for gun sales when he was Pres?
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 03-27-2019, 08:48 AM
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Posted By zeek
Re: Politics and the Church

:thumbup::hurray::thumbup:
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 03-27-2019, 07:21 AM
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Posted By zeek
Re: The Problem of Evil

Your argument requires that the entire empirical public world of shared human experience be deemed unreal. Evil is unreal because it's part of an unreal world according to your argument. So you...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 03-26-2019, 08:10 AM
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Posted By zeek
Re: The Problem of Evil

Article presents the theological POE and concludes with the fideist response of Blaise Pascal :
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Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 03-25-2019, 06:54 AM
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Posted By zeek
Re: The Problem of Evil

I'm sure you are aware that according to the Gospels, the devil quotes the Bible too. But, I find your computer simulation analogy rather like an extreme Docetist interpretation of the Bible.


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Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 03-25-2019, 06:34 AM
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Posted By zeek
Re: The Problem of Evil

Regarding eternity all we have are some claims in an ancient book written by men without the knowledge of modern science. I don't find the evidence for life after death persuasive. Of course I want...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 03-25-2019, 06:28 AM
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Posted By zeek
Re: The Problem of Evil

You simply ignored my arguments against the greater good. You stating that to declare the POE one has to claim to know more than he does is kind of funny coming from a guy who claims he is sure God...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 03-25-2019, 06:20 AM
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Posted By zeek
Re: Politics and the Church

William Barr has given us his own spin on Mueller's report. He should release it to the American people so that we can make up our own minds. Even from what he gave us, Mueller did not exonerate...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 03-23-2019, 09:02 AM
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Posted By zeek
Re: The Problem of Evil

The Docetist heresy was the teaching that Jesus was a simulation rather than a flesh-and-blood human being. You have taken the heresy further by claiming that none of us are really flesh-and-blood...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 03-23-2019, 06:32 AM
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Posted By zeek
Re: The Problem of Evil

You are arguing that evil is necessary for achieving some greater good. The Bible says there is no evil in the kingdom of heaven. What? No greater good in heaven?

By your reasoning the kingdom...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 03-22-2019, 10:47 AM
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Posted By zeek
Re: The Problem of Evil

How about these propositions? God is not omnipotent, because humans have the power of free will which effects their ends. God is not omniscient because human freedom is real and affects the...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 03-22-2019, 10:32 AM
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Posted By zeek
Re: The Problem of Evil

How can you show that there can be a greater good if you don't define what it is? Empty logic proves nothing.



Does that justify child rape or tsunamis? I'm just trying to follow your logic.
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 03-22-2019, 10:20 AM
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Posted By zeek
Red face Re: The Problem of Evil

If evil were not allowed there'd be no evil to judge. And asserting that it's going to happen by and by could just be wishful thinking.

God wouldn't need to teach us about it if it didn't exist.
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Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 03-22-2019, 09:43 AM
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Posted By zeek
Re: The Problem of Evil

You mean eternity after the universe expands to the point of fizzing out? That's a possible future. The fundamentalist apocalyptic eschatology is another possibility. How probable is it that the...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 03-22-2019, 09:27 AM
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Posted By zeek
Re: The Problem of Evil

:lol: ...not to mention all the royalties I'm getting. :lol:
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 03-22-2019, 08:48 AM
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Posted By zeek
Re: The Problem of Evil

What I'm critical of is the omni concept of God. You want to conflate that concept with the living God and that's your prerogative. Your free will theodicy does nothing for explaining evils like mass...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 03-22-2019, 08:40 AM
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Posted By zeek
Re: The Problem of Evil

Or you could repent for passing judgment on the guy. Judge not lest ye be judged Jesus said. Remember him?
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 03-21-2019, 10:11 PM
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Posted By zeek
Re: Politics and the Church

Pompeo suggests God sent Trump to save Israel
"As a Christian, I certainly believe that's possible," the secretary of state said when asked whether the president had an explicitly divine mission. "I...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 03-21-2019, 07:32 AM
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Posted By zeek
Re: The Problem of Evil

If God cannot be understood than every understanding we have of God is a misunderstanding in some way. If that's true I'm not alone in "continually misunderstanding" God. Intellectual humility...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 03-20-2019, 08:54 PM
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Posted By zeek
Re: Politics and the Church

Meanwhile in the demon-haunted world...

http://deadstate.org/pat-robertson-your-neighbors-buddha-statue-will-bring-curses-upon-you/
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 03-20-2019, 07:27 AM
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Posted By zeek
Re: The Problem of Evil

So much better to follow authority unquestioning like we were trained to do in Witness Lee's organization. :rolleyes2:



Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent....
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 03-19-2019, 06:46 AM
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Posted By zeek
Re: The Problem of Evil

When you say people have been claiming that kind of thing for centuries I suppose you're referring to the problem of evil. Yes it is attributed to Epicurus around 300 BC.

According to Christian...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 03-18-2019, 01:04 PM
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Posted By zeek
Re: Politics and the Church

Yeah I couldn't follow a few stitches in your tapestry of self-contradiction. Should I have known immediately that you liked the congresswomen when you called them idiots and stooges? Based on what...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 03-18-2019, 11:58 AM
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Posted By zeek
Re: The Problem of Evil

I'll try to keep that in mind Igzy. But in no way does it refute my arguments regarding the POE.
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