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Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 05-29-2020, 02:00 PM
Replies: 89
Views: 2,019
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Re: What a Lack of Increase Really Means for the LC

I think this is why they pour themselves into the campus work. Mining the hordes of naive young people looking for a place to belong in a totally new environment. Even with their dumping so many...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 05-27-2020, 01:34 PM
Replies: 34
Views: 1,284
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Re: Finding Biblical Context For Women 'Are More Easily Deceived'

What about Paul's reference to Eve being deceived who was not in that time and place and same societal constraints? In other words, what is Paul's point in bringing up Eve? That's the part that...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 05-27-2020, 10:15 AM
Replies: 34
Views: 1,284
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Re: Finding Biblical Context For Women 'Are More Easily Deceived'

Great posts, Curious, all of them.

I'm not sure whether to bring it up, but it's highly relevant to the thread title. What on earth do we do with these verses in 1 Timothy 2?

11 A woman should...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 05-26-2020, 02:59 PM
Replies: 43
Views: 850
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Re: Responsibility of Christians Responding to Aberrant/Abusive Groups

I'd like to amend this part of my post a few posts back. I think Jo S's point about the foundation is more valid that I gave him credit for, but we were just looking at the situation from different...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 05-25-2020, 09:49 PM
Replies: 75
Views: 58,273
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Re: Leaving the LRC has consequences....

Here's a decent one from The Vision of the Age (underlining added):

"During these fifty-four years that I have been in the Lordís recovery, I have seen many people both in the northern and...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 05-25-2020, 09:09 PM
Replies: 110
Views: 80,377
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Re: Combating LC Arguments

I also 100% agree with this assessment.
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 05-25-2020, 10:00 AM
Replies: 16
Views: 274
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Re: Modalism

I've tried to figure out their position on this in the past and given up. In the very same paper the LC will say the Father, Son and Spirit are eternally distinct and then in the next paragraph...
Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice 05-25-2020, 09:56 AM
Replies: 8
Views: 267
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Re: The main problem with the LC

It's like they forget that the Spirit is the Spirit. There aren't different models or versions of the Spirit, one older, slower, inferior model that indwells those in "Christianity" and a newer,...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 05-24-2020, 10:57 AM
Replies: 43
Views: 850
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Re: Responsibility of Christians Responding to Aberrant/Abusive Groups

Jo S,

Pursuant to the title of this thread, what is your view on the responsibility of Christians related to aberrant or abusive groups (specifically the LC)?

We've talked about the legitimacy...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 05-24-2020, 10:40 AM
Replies: 43
Views: 850
Posted By Trapped
Re: Responsibility of Christians Responding to Aberrant/Abusive Groups

Jo S,

I think you have very valuable contribution so don’t leave, and interesting perspectives that force me to read and re-read Scripture and question my own assumptions about it, but your...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 05-22-2020, 11:28 PM
Replies: 43
Views: 850
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Re: Responsibility of Christians Responding to Aberrant/Abusive Groups

Thanks StG and Nell, as you can see this topic is important to me and weighs on me heavily and often. I do appreciate Jo S's challenges and his questions. I may be wrong in numerous areas in my...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 05-22-2020, 11:23 PM
Replies: 20
Views: 426
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Re: The Shunning

Yes, I've wrestled with forgiveness for quite some time, and have come to a similar understanding. The local church is ALLLLL about putting pressure on the person who has been sinned against to...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 05-22-2020, 11:20 PM
Replies: 20
Views: 426
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Re: The Shunning

bHm, I can't share much on a public forum, but just that I'm still dealing with the effects of the LC shunning. It's like having your own limbs sheared off of you, because even the people who were...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 05-22-2020, 11:16 PM
Replies: 20
Views: 426
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Re: The Shunning

I have had enough people in the church turn their backs to me that someone being nice to me was an actual startling event, so I understand!

Your observation that "it seems like God is the one who...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 05-22-2020, 11:09 PM
Replies: 20
Views: 426
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Re: The Shunning

I agree. The healthiest thing for me has been to hear the true gospel. The setting free gospel. The "God loves you even when you fail" gospel and the "you can run TO Him rather than away from Him...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 05-22-2020, 11:41 AM
Replies: 43
Views: 850
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Re: Responsibility of Christians Responding to Aberrant/Abusive Groups

It's an interesting question you've asked. You are right that I'm treating them as part of the church and thus subject to Biblical principles. I'll just think out loud here, so give me a little grace...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 05-21-2020, 10:39 AM
Replies: 76
Views: 4,745
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Re: Erroneous teaching of Lee concerning natural affection

I think this is a good example of a disconnect in experiences in the LC. There are some people who don't take things to heart and some who do. Some people who hear a rule and immediately discard it...
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 05-21-2020, 10:36 AM
Replies: 9
Views: 290
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Re: Ravi Zacharias 1946-2020

This struck me. Wow. For the churches.
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 05-20-2020, 04:33 PM
Replies: 43
Views: 850
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Re: Responsibility of Christians Responding to Aberrant/Abusive Groups

Right, Matthew 7 is not commanding us NOT to judge, but HOW to judge. Judge, but not hypocritically. Don't judge others for the very things you do yourself. 7:5 TELLS us to take the speck out of...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 05-20-2020, 01:06 PM
Replies: 43
Views: 850
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Re: Responsibility of Christians Responding to Aberrant/Abusive Groups

Jo S, while I understand the spirit of what you are saying, which maybe could summarized as "speak the truth in love, don't speak the truth out of vengeance or anger or retribution", I'm afraid what...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 05-19-2020, 02:04 PM
Replies: 89
Views: 2,019
Posted By Trapped
Re: What a Lack of Increase Really Means for the LC

"friendships". Social interaction. Belonging. Food.

The pull is strong.
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 05-19-2020, 12:15 PM
Replies: 43
Views: 850
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Re: Responsibility of Christians Responding to Aberrant/Abusive Groups

Other verses from Cal from the other thread.
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 05-19-2020, 12:13 PM
Replies: 43
Views: 850
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Re: Responsibility of Christians Responding to Aberrant/Abusive Groups

Appropriate verses/comments from Cal from the other thread.
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 05-19-2020, 10:42 AM
Replies: 20
Views: 426
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Re: The Shunning

While I understand what you're saying and agree to a degree, it doesn't actually bear out in real life.

Relationships matter. People matter. It's too trite to say "You have God so anything that...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 05-19-2020, 10:27 AM
Replies: 76
Views: 4,745
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Re: Erroneous Teaching of Lee Concerning Natural Affection

Ah! I honestly didn't realize there was overlap in the two threads. The shunning thread was more supposed to be how does an individual handle it personally. Cal's suggestion seems to be more of...
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