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Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications Yesterday, 11:58 AM
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Posted By aron
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

Actually we're looking at complementary aspects of the same whole. The LSM scribes want to discredit Hsu by pointing out her youth, naivete, and outsider status. I'm saying that they must lie in the...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications Yesterday, 07:42 AM
Replies: 4
Views: 183
Posted By aron
Re: Fall ITERO 2019

1. Plurality in creation does not force the Trinity. Job 38:4-7 says,

"Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
Who marked off its dimensions? Surely...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 10-12-2019, 04:20 PM
Replies: 14
Views: 926
Posted By aron
Re: Curious!

Conformity equals control. Witness Lee wrote in the RecV footnotes that all the Local Churches should be "exactly identical", and "without any differences whatever", based on his readings of the...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 10-12-2019, 01:38 PM
Replies: 106
Views: 3,175
Posted By aron
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

Regardless of what actually lay behind the 'storm' or 'turmoil', it didn't produce transparency or humility; rather a doubling down on command-and-control. Just like with Lee.

How is it an...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 10-12-2019, 07:17 AM
Replies: 10
Views: 341
Posted By aron
Re: I cant deal with any of the LSM and LC stuff anymore.....

Whoa. Hold on. Don't get ahead of yourself. You have 2 distinct issues here which are separable. One is that your parents are in the LC and are part of its machinery of coercion, and the second is...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 10-10-2019, 04:48 PM
Replies: 106
Views: 3,175
Posted By aron
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

In light of testimony from someone who was actually there (Don Rutledge), posted below in #81 and #82, and given that he and Witness Lee spoke personally on the subject, how do we know that the...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 10-10-2019, 03:21 PM
Replies: 106
Views: 3,175
Posted By aron
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

More on Daystar and its aftermath, from one who was there.


The Daystar fiasco was one in a string of fiascos. Apparently Witness Lee kept at it until he found the formula: publishing, printing,...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 10-10-2019, 02:55 PM
Replies: 106
Views: 3,175
Posted By aron
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

The website puts out "facts" about Daystar Motor Homes. Okay, what about these "facts" from someone there, who was personally recruited by Lee to work on the project? Shouldn't these be included as...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 10-10-2019, 03:08 AM
Replies: 14
Views: 926
Posted By aron
Re: Curious!

Curious, regarding your last post (#9), I sat passively in meetings where curses came forth. We were so conditioned to be reflexively "one with the speaking" that none actively rejected it. And yes,...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 10-10-2019, 02:41 AM
Replies: 106
Views: 3,175
Posted By aron
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

From the 'shepherding words' website: "one of [CCP] strategies to consolidate power was to launch “struggle campaigns” against real and perceived enemies and rivals. Mass rallies, mass media, and...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 10-09-2019, 12:17 PM
Replies: 21
Views: 891
Posted By aron
Re: Pulled in Two Directions

Spiritual Man was cribbed from Jessie Penn-Lewis, both the book "War on the Saints" plus she had a periodical. In the publisher's preface to the second edition it is stated. The publisher said that...
Forum: Early Lee - Later Lee 10-09-2019, 12:10 PM
Replies: 12
Views: 326
Posted By aron
Re: Early Lee - Later Lee

It helps to remember that in the 60s other things were afoot. Up the road in Costa Mesa, the similarly-demographed Calvary Chapel underwent explosive growth and re-seeding across other cities....
Forum: Early Lee - Later Lee 10-09-2019, 11:58 AM
Replies: 12
Views: 326
Posted By aron
Re: Early Lee - Later Lee

When making categorical claims and saying, "There is nothing else", I'm being dogmatic. But if there is objective reality then one should believe in something, and I find that the resurrection has...
Forum: Early Lee - Later Lee 10-09-2019, 06:55 AM
Replies: 12
Views: 326
Posted By aron
Re: Early Lee - Later Lee

What is so interesting is that LSM has distributed a publication called "Affirmation and Critique" yet when anyone critiques them, they call it an "attack" and so forth. In this they follow WL's...
Forum: Early Lee - Later Lee 10-09-2019, 02:31 AM
Replies: 12
Views: 326
Posted By aron
Re: Early Lee - Later Lee

Substitutes for the living person of Christ... the diagnosis has merits but the proposed remedy does not. Yes, "Christianity", however loosely or tightly defined, arguably has things other than the...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 10-08-2019, 03:18 AM
Replies: 21
Views: 891
Posted By aron
Re: Pulled in Two Directions

I can think of two stories. The first was told by Witness Lee. Supposedly Watchman Nee was removed from his ministry because the elders in Shanghai discovered that he was living with a woman not his...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 10-08-2019, 02:39 AM
Replies: 13
Views: 383
Posted By aron
Re: The Pros vs "The Little Children" in Matthew 11

A related question - if Watchman Nee availed himself of some 3,000 "Christian classics" per the Lee biography, then were there some 30 (+/-) sequential "spiritual giants", each with the "vision of...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 10-07-2019, 07:18 AM
Replies: 13
Views: 383
Posted By aron
Re: The Pros vs "The Little Children" in Matthew 11

My thesis of late has been that the Lord knows who are ten-talented and who are one-talented. Our job is simply to do our best. Whatever we "are" and "will be" is up to God - both the choosing, the...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 10-06-2019, 05:23 PM
Replies: 13
Views: 383
Posted By aron
Re: The Pros vs "The Little Children" in Matthew 11

The Hebrews had two main foci - one was humanity's failure, and the other was God's beneficence. God's goodness, patience, kindness, long-suffering, his outstretched arm, power, wisdom, holiness and...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 10-06-2019, 05:01 PM
Replies: 36
Views: 2,767
Posted By aron
Re: Three questions for Local Church Christians

Until the LSM or its designees answer these questions, many will come to that conclusion: they make stuff up as they go along. No matter if today's message contradicts yesterday's, or doesn't line up...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 10-05-2019, 10:45 AM
Replies: 36
Views: 2,767
Posted By aron
Re: Three questions for Local Church Christians

When I asked about the discontinuity in RecV footnotes to the imprecatory Psalms, this was a response from an otherwise articulate writer - "Perhaps this is how it was." Well, perhaps it was how it...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 10-05-2019, 08:19 AM
Replies: 21
Views: 891
Posted By aron
Re: Pulled in Two Directions

My story: I left because I was sick of sitting in the same chairs every week with the same few people, congratulating ourselves on arriving at the "high peaks" on the "proper ground" and our...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 10-05-2019, 07:58 AM
Replies: 14
Views: 926
Posted By aron
Re: Curious!

Curious,

Thanks for the comments. Amen on both counts:

#1. If we fear being "contaminated" and "dirty" we may hole up, literally or figuratively, congratulating ourselves on our ritualistic...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 10-04-2019, 02:53 PM
Replies: 21
Views: 891
Posted By aron
Re: Pulled in Two Directions

This is a challenging question. I'll offer my view. If you look at Peter in the NT, occasionally he channelled the divine, and sometimes he erred, even greatly. And David in the OT -same thing. These...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 10-04-2019, 01:51 PM
Replies: 36
Views: 2,767
Posted By aron
Re: Three questions for Local Church Christians

I wanted to bring this thread forward, as the replies I got here from two stalwart promoters of the Cause amounted to, "Perhaps this is so" and, "Why don't you ask the Lord" and, "You have a bad...
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