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Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice Yesterday, 08:00 AM
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Views: 3,130
Posted By aron
Re: 'Ground of the Church'

The LC apologist says, "It is not a name, but a description". But that is fantasy. The term "local church" is not in any way a description of the assembled group. With them, non-local affiliation...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 02-14-2019, 03:58 PM
Replies: 555
Views: 146,196
Posted By aron
Re: The Asian Mind/The Western Mind

I don't know how many of the new Sydney [Titus Chu] Church Christians I listed are recent immigrants from China, and how many are Australian-born Chinese. But I think that Witness Lee's statement...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 02-14-2019, 04:00 AM
Replies: 555
Views: 146,196
Posted By aron
Re: The Asian Mind/The Western Mind

I daresay there are also some LSM-affiliated believers in Sydney. But the very point of a local church has vanished, its ground. Its existence and identity are now tied to foreign affiliation, and...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 02-13-2019, 04:25 PM
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Views: 146,196
Posted By aron
Re: Cultural shift - paradigm shift?

Here's an excerpt from the recent (Feb 2019) newsletter of the Church in Sydney (Australia) affiliated with Titus Chu:And to show that this demographic constituency isn't a fluke, here's from their...
Forum: Writings of Former Members 02-12-2019, 05:38 PM
Replies: 8
Views: 1,784
Posted By aron
Re: important excerpts from Don Rutledge and Jane Anderson

The above confirms my earlier post on the issue of a minister abusing his authority in the church. Poor business decisions. Fraud. Money laundering. A supposed "investment" with promised "profits"...
Forum: Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes 02-12-2019, 10:58 AM
Replies: 132
Views: 48,265
Posted By aron
Re: Examining LSM's Eschatology - Revelation's 7 Churches TOMES

My interpretation is guided by a simple question: What would one expect this to mean to its first-century recipients? Remember that these were actual letters to actual people. Would we expect any of...
Forum: Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes 02-12-2019, 08:45 AM
Replies: 132
Views: 48,265
Posted By aron
Re: Examining LSM's Eschatology - Revelation's 7 Churches TOMES

What if Jesus is coming quickly to all 7, but 4 of them, having become somnolent, need to be reminded of this fact?
Forum: Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes 02-12-2019, 03:37 AM
Replies: 132
Views: 48,265
Posted By aron
Re: Examining LSM's Eschatology - Revelation's 7 Churches TOMES

The letters to the 7 churches were universal, "to show his servants these things which must quickly take place". Each church was to read all the letters.

I see no indication in the text that folks...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 02-10-2019, 10:31 AM
Replies: 405
Views: 26,941
Posted By aron
Re: One Publication

I respectfully disagree on two fronts. First, one must figure out what happened to truly move on. It's like a relationship - the danger is that you break off an abusive one & simply enter another....
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 02-10-2019, 09:06 AM
Replies: 405
Views: 26,941
Posted By aron
Re: One Publication

Children in "local church" families don't have choice: they're born and they're inside, at least temporarily. Those who joined 35 or 50 years ago didn't know any better. The history of control was...
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 02-09-2019, 12:36 PM
Replies: 27
Views: 717
Posted By aron
Re: Recommended Christian Books, Authors, Blogs or Videos

One wonders how many in the group that stresses the "so subjective Christ" feel inner unease or disquiet as the man up on the dias talks of "great spiritual persons" and "spiritual giants". And just...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 02-07-2019, 03:19 PM
Replies: 94
Views: 37,248
Posted By aron
Re: Arthur M. Casci Testimony

Yes some of that seeking involved risks or as I put it, hazards. Thus the reference to John Bunyan's ''The Pilgrim's Progress''. It always amazes me that the Jesus People phenomenon occurred. I don't...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 02-07-2019, 08:56 AM
Replies: 94
Views: 37,248
Posted By aron
Re: Arthur M. Casci Testimony

"We've got to get ourselves back to the garden". Which garden?

Casci and awareness were talking of trying out different sects, some of which in hindsight were pretty sketchy. My point is that they...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 02-07-2019, 03:53 AM
Replies: 94
Views: 37,248
Posted By aron
Re: Arthur M. Casci Testimony

I came upon a child of God
He was walking along the road
And I asked him where are you going
And this he told me
I’m going on down to Yasgur’s farm
I’m going to join in a rock ‘n’ roll band
I’m...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 02-06-2019, 02:50 PM
Replies: 94
Views: 37,248
Posted By aron
Re: Arthur M. Casci Testimony

The subject of the Bible is Jesus. He is the way home to the Father. Not the ground of oneness, not the ministry of the age, not God's economy, not the present recovered truth, not NT believers...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 02-06-2019, 09:25 AM
Replies: 94
Views: 37,248
Posted By aron
Re: Arthur M. Casci Testimony

I wanted to bring AMCasci and awareness' testimonies forward to show something of the time (late '60s-early '70s) that caused Witness Lee's movement to grow, flourish, and spread, and that set the...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 02-06-2019, 04:07 AM
Replies: 94
Views: 37,248
Posted By aron
Re: Arthur M. Casci Testimony

This testimony is confirmation of the previous post. (#84) These kids were easy pickings for Witness Lee and his ilk. They sang, "I'm so happy in this lovely place...Christ is new and fresh,...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 02-06-2019, 03:40 AM
Replies: 94
Views: 37,248
Posted By aron
Re: Arthur M. Casci Testimony

This post shows how Witness Lee's group was able to draw in so many young people, 1967-72. I think of the famous "Life" magazine photo of a young woman clutching a tuft of sod and grass, which Ringo...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 02-05-2019, 10:40 AM
Replies: 405
Views: 26,941
Posted By aron
Re: One Publication

This is interesting - "since this is considered the ministry of the age, God's authority comes from he who can interpret the word". Only the ministry of the age has the authority to interpret...
Forum: Regional Concerns 02-05-2019, 08:02 AM
Replies: 38
Views: 1,513
Posted By aron
Re: How to rescue those still in LCs in Korea?

If a local elder goes off the rails, and pulls most of the local congregants with them, then neighbouring assemblies will see a cautionary tale. But if the local elder makes himself de facto pontiff,...
Forum: Regional Concerns 02-05-2019, 04:00 AM
Replies: 38
Views: 1,513
Posted By aron
Re: How to rescue those still in LCs in Korea?

To claim primacy for one's vision or truth is a fallacy and should be rejected. I did not see this when I joined the LC. It was so convenient, to have all the great truths of Christianity...
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 02-04-2019, 08:23 AM
Replies: 27
Views: 717
Posted By aron
Re: Recommended Christian Books, Authors, Blogs or Videos

People like Beale and Steyn were influential in my post-LC transformation in views. It's not just what they wrote about or how they said it, but that there was someone out there worth reading....
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 02-03-2019, 06:43 PM
Replies: 364
Views: 13,011
Posted By aron
Re: Outer Darkness?

When I said "separation from God" I was thinking of Peter, out there alone in the dark, weeping bitterly. But Jesus told Peter that he had prayed for him, and the Father had heard, and Peter would...
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 02-03-2019, 06:20 PM
Replies: 27
Views: 717
Posted By aron
Re: Recommended Christian Books, Authors, Blogs or Videos

Study of "The Book of Revelation" by G.K. Beale.

"“A significant contribution to our understanding of Revelation. . . . This commentary will certainly provide considerable insight into John’s...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 02-03-2019, 05:40 PM
Replies: 964
Views: 336,741
Posted By aron
Re: How Much To Throw Out?

But even if it wasn't fraught with fraud, HERn's point remains. Lee promised that God would bless the endevour with positive cash flow, and it was instead financial disaster. "God blew on it", I...
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