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Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching Today, 02:52 AM
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Posted By aron
Re: Outer Darkness?

For me, the answer is simple: God chose Jesus Christ. The NT repeats this refrain over and over. Don't ever take your eyes off God's selection and you'll do fine. "We have the prophetic word made...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching Yesterday, 06:15 AM
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Posted By aron
Re: Outer Darkness?

Actually I too quickly dismissed the "ask the experts" question, seeing it as a dodge to get off the subject of the glaring lacks in the LSM hermeneutical programmme.

But while we're on the...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching Yesterday, 02:54 AM
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Posted By aron
Re: Outer Darkness?

Oh, and don't forget the "how dare you slander God's chosen vessel" schtick. Anything to avoid addressing the substance of the issue at hand.

Suppose you go to a conference of the LSM. After the...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching Yesterday, 02:20 AM
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Posted By aron
Re: Outer Darkness?

I drew on the wider conversation to use the word "imagination". Psalm 18 says, " He [the Father] rescued me [the Christ] because He [the Father] delighted in me [the Christ]." We have ample...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching Yesterday, 12:31 AM
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Posted By aron
Re: Outer Darkness?

Hebrews 3 and 1 Corinthians 10 show us a journey with a finish line. A coming promised rest. We should press on until the journey is over. This notion seems widespread in Christian faith, not...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-13-2018, 05:03 PM
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Posted By aron
Re: Outer Darkness?

The topic was on outer darkness. The question was asked, Where in the Bible does it show defeated believers going into punishment for 1,000 years? The LSM answer was, The whole Bible shows this.
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Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-13-2018, 04:30 PM
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Posted By aron
Re: Outer Darkness?

Really? Then why 'one publication' edict?

It seems you don't like my line of questioning & so pretend not to 'get it' - rather you do get it & would prefer to change the subject post-haste.

I'm...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-13-2018, 03:02 PM
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Posted By aron
Re: Outer Darkness?

I don't know. Did Lee ignore this question, or did he mention it? Perhaps learned men are smart enough to avoid unfounded speculation, and if they project unproven hypothesis they label it as such,...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-13-2018, 02:59 PM
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Posted By aron
Re: Outer Darkness?

Interesting how suddenly you don't want to discuss Lee's theology.
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-13-2018, 02:29 PM
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Posted By aron
Re: Outer Darkness?

I don't know - Moses? Please, go ahead. We are waiting. I am, anyway.

My version is this: God loves us, so much that He sent His Son. We might believe into him, Jesus the Messiah, and have...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-13-2018, 02:01 PM
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Posted By aron
Re: Outer Darkness?

So the "pleasant section of Hades" is a holding place where some of the dead wait for a thousand years of torment? Please explain. I don't recall the parable where Lee finds the answer inferred.
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Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-13-2018, 11:41 AM
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Posted By aron
Re: Outer Darkness?

I've repeatedly given you Hebrews 3 and 1 Cor 15 referencing the Exodus, and written to Christian believers. Why no response? I thought you were ready to discuss? Neither infers a thousand-year...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-13-2018, 11:27 AM
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Posted By aron
Re: Outer Darkness?

Have you not read scripture? Read the parable of the rich man and Lazarus. Does this occur in the millennial reign of Christ? "In Hades he was in torment"; Luke 16:23. And "You are in agony"; Luke...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-13-2018, 09:24 AM
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Posted By aron
Re: Outer Darkness?

I've already explained and affirmed the principle of judgment, mentioned in 1 Cor 10 and Heb 3, as reinforcing the parables of Jesus as pertaining to believers. But the question on this thread has...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-13-2018, 07:00 AM
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Posted By aron
Re: Outer Darkness?

Here is truth: God raised Jesus from the dead on the third day. It's clearly and repeatedly presented in scripture by multiple witnesses. Remember, many questions that the disciples asked Jesus, were...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-13-2018, 03:04 AM
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Posted By aron
Re: Outer Darkness?

A "correlation" and an "inference". Objectively speaking, an interpretation. Not 'truth'. Certainly not scripture. Every interpretation should be tested, if it is of the imagination (colored by...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-13-2018, 02:58 AM
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Posted By aron
Re: Outer Darkness?

Let me also be clear: at the Judgment Seat of Christ, Witness Lee and his followers will find out that God is not a respecter of persons. It's in the Bible, it's written and is real, and they'll find...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-13-2018, 02:37 AM
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Posted By aron
Re: Outer Darkness?

I numbered the post in question. Let the reader decide if I misrepresented your statement.

For all of your indignation you mount no defence. If you can show an extensive paper trail of scripture...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-12-2018, 12:10 PM
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Posted By aron
Re: Outer Darkness?

One thing you said at one point that I think is valuable is this: it was often strongly implied, that these things were so. But it might not get printed in HWMR, so as to keep the air of propriety...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-12-2018, 08:50 AM
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Posted By aron
Re: Outer Darkness?

Maybe I “slice and dice” the word to make my point to my satisfaction but do grievous disservice to truth. I'm probably at least partly affected by a combination of self-interested prejudice and...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-10-2018, 01:40 PM
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Posted By aron
Re: Outer Darkness?

When people peddle something like the "Thousand year prison" as a pillar in their own personal kingdom-building programme, beware. Prove all things.
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-10-2018, 01:06 PM
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Posted By aron
Re: Outer Darkness?

Witness Lee would say something like "The whole Bible shows us. . ." then make a pastiche out of a few disparate verses and there was our 'present truth'. In this case, he cobbled together the...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-10-2018, 02:55 AM
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Posted By aron
Re: Outer Darkness?

The topic of the 1,000 year kingdom is found only in a few verses in Revelation 20. It doesn't reference Paul's epistles (one might wonder if it avoids them). Witness Lee made what appear to be...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-09-2018, 09:41 PM
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Posted By aron
Re: Outer Darkness?

The topic is on "outer darkness", or what WL called the "1,000-year summer school" where defeated believers went for remedial spiritual maturing. Weeping, gnashing of teeth & so forth.

I remember...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-09-2018, 02:00 PM
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Posted By aron
Re: Outer Darkness?

It's called a footnote. You are giving me a statement with no source. You often ask for sources of statements; so where is the Biblical source (verse + RecV footnote) for your assertion of Lee's...
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