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Forum: Apologetic discussions 12-10-2019, 03:50 PM
Replies: 20
Views: 362
Posted By Freedom
Re: A System of Error?

It's interesting to consider how various LC teachings and doctrines have contributed to the culture that exists within the LC as well as the abuses that have occurred. There are the obvious teachings...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 12-09-2019, 05:09 PM
Replies: 238
Views: 10,358
Posted By Freedom
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

This is an interesting way to look at things. All speculation aside, one of thing things that I find to be most ironic about Nee's life is that he really wasn't around to see the fruit of what he...
Forum: Christian Movements/Ministries 12-09-2019, 05:02 PM
Replies: 10
Views: 648
Posted By Freedom
Re: LordsRecovery.Org Exposing the Christian Cult of Witness Lee's Local Ch

It really is all about control. What makes matters even worse is that a lot of the rules are unspoken, so when someone does try to protest, there is gaslighting involved.

When I lived in a...
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 12-08-2019, 12:22 PM
Replies: 21
Views: 725
Posted By Freedom
Re: Why isnt anybody besides Cal, Jo, and Andria speaking out about the Chu

The LC tends to make a big deal about other Christians not accepting certain teachings of WL/WN. When I was beginning the process of leaving, it certain became of interest to me to see how the LC...
Forum: Christian Movements/Ministries 12-07-2019, 06:38 PM
Replies: 10
Views: 648
Posted By Freedom
Re: LordsRecovery.Org Exposing the Christian Cult of Witness Lee's Local Ch

It looks like a lot of time was spent on this site, and I think it will be very informative to those who come across it.
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 12-07-2019, 06:34 PM
Replies: 238
Views: 10,358
Posted By Freedom
Re: John Ingalls

I remember the blendeds making reference to these 'private' conversations with WL. At the time it sounded reasonable. Later on, I remember questioning their appeal to what WL did or didn't say, since...
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 12-07-2019, 06:22 PM
Replies: 21
Views: 725
Posted By Freedom
Re: Why isnt anybody besides Cal, Jo, and Andria speaking out about the Chu

The LCM has a litigious reputation, and I think there is definitely an element of fear involved. No one wants to be targeted for simply speaking out. And that is exactly what the LC does.

As...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 12-05-2019, 12:05 PM
Replies: 54
Views: 5,205
Posted By Freedom
Re: Sad Funny Ridiculous

Just about every attempt the LC makes to eliminate any "negative" publications, they end up compounding the problem and making it even worse for themselves. This will continue to happen.
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 12-03-2019, 04:28 PM
Replies: 238
Views: 10,358
Posted By Freedom
Re: John Ingalls

This type of pattern is evident throughout LC history. When they get to define what is "evil" means, it provides them with the rationale for just about any action. This type of recklessness is the...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 12-03-2019, 12:56 PM
Replies: 238
Views: 10,358
Posted By Freedom
Re: John Ingalls

I can still remember like it was yesterday how big of a deal the blendeds made about TC, even though most of us on the west coast had no idea who he even was. But the blendeds did make the message...
Forum: Writings and Concerns of Steve Isitt 12-03-2019, 11:23 AM
Replies: 25
Views: 1,932
Posted By Freedom
Re: Wake-up Letter to Minoru

Leaving the LC is no easy feat. And that is just the beginning. One still has to decide what happens next, what they believe, and what they really want. It seems though that it can be difficult to...
Forum: Writings and Concerns of Steve Isitt 12-03-2019, 09:11 AM
Replies: 25
Views: 1,932
Posted By Freedom
Re: Wake-up Letter to Minoru

The unregistered poster has yet to expound upon their post, but the statements made are highly indicative of what LC leadership is probably "selling" people in the LC. Promises of revival, telling...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 12-02-2019, 08:23 PM
Replies: 238
Views: 10,358
Posted By Freedom
Re: John Ingalls

The article from sheherdingwords.com completely mischaracterizes the issue. JI was forced out because WL was intolerant of any sort of criticism. Long before JI was quarantined, I think he and others...
Forum: Writings and Concerns of Steve Isitt 12-02-2019, 11:18 AM
Replies: 25
Views: 1,932
Posted By Freedom
Re: Wake-up Letter to Minoru

Would you mind clarifying your comments? In my last post on this thread, I referred to the LC as a system that has failed it's members. Consider each of the major so-called turmoils that occurred...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 11-30-2019, 02:17 PM
Replies: 238
Views: 10,358
Posted By Freedom
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

Those who are running the LC seem completely convinced that the "formula" provided by WL is going to always work for them. They don't seem to be able to take an objective look at the current state of...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 11-29-2019, 02:43 PM
Replies: 238
Views: 10,358
Posted By Freedom
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

Yes, this came to mind for me as well when I read their article. It doesn't take much searching on the internet to find all the various cases of abuse that have occurring within the LC. Even in my...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 11-27-2019, 09:50 AM
Replies: 238
Views: 10,358
Posted By Freedom
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

I'm not even sure how the people writing the articles posted on shepherdingwords.com expect to be taken seriously. Firstly, none of the authors have attached their name to any of the articles, so we...
Forum: Writings and Concerns of Steve Isitt 11-18-2019, 05:29 PM
Replies: 25
Views: 1,932
Posted By Freedom
Re: Wake-up Letter to Minoru

The LC is a system that has failed its members. And I think that includes members from just about every demographic, including longtime members, church kids, and even newcomers. Like Curious stated,...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 11-08-2019, 03:49 PM
Replies: 238
Views: 10,358
Posted By Freedom
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

The LC is full of extremities and they fail to really recognize it or acknowledge the end effect. They waste no time distancing themselves from the Shouters and EL, yet why aren't they willing to do...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 11-08-2019, 01:53 PM
Replies: 13
Views: 2,092
Posted By Freedom
LC history indicates that at some point WN...

LC history indicates that at some point WN assumed a position of authority. WL likewise. After WL died, the blendeds claimed to be his 'continuation'. It seems that no one ever really thought to ...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 11-08-2019, 09:55 AM
Replies: 238
Views: 10,358
Posted By Freedom
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

I am reminded of the type of statements that FTTT trainers were reported to have made:
1) ďThere is no need to pray about what to do; just follow the ministry.Ē
2) We donít even need to think; we...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 11-08-2019, 09:33 AM
Replies: 238
Views: 10,358
Posted By Freedom
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

Awhile back, someone on the forum posted a WL quote where WL referred to LC members in China as 'Shouters'. The DCP has an article where they state that the local churches "have no connection or ...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 11-07-2019, 02:39 PM
Replies: 238
Views: 10,358
Posted By Freedom
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

Something tells me that the LC collapse has already begun. They have zero ability to self-reflect, and such a system can only last so long. To me it seems apparent that they have become desperate,...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 11-07-2019, 02:26 PM
Replies: 13
Views: 2,092
Posted By Freedom
Re: Co-workers In The Lordís Recovery Declare Themselves as APOSTLES!

I think that aside from what is or isn't spoken, people in the LC already perceive things a certain way. What I mean is that before WL ever declared himself as God's oracle, he was already perceived...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 11-07-2019, 09:36 AM
Replies: 13
Views: 2,092
Posted By Freedom
Re: Co-workers In The Lordís Recovery Declare Themselves as APOSTLES!

The statements that they make expose their hypocrisy. In their article on hierarchy and organization, they argue that LSM is not a headquarters and that there is no organization among the local...
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