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Forum: Papers by various Today, 10:34 AM
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Posted By aron
Re: Open Letter - Dear Saints in the Lord's Recovery

Jo, so many people were encouraged that someone spoke up, as your post above. Clearly the FB reaction shows that people were waiting for some kind of venue to call the chains of repression what they...
Forum: Papers by various Today, 10:11 AM
Replies: 162
Views: 6,760
Posted By aron
Re: Open Letter - Dear Saints in the Lord's Recovery

I missed that but heard about it. I wonder what the “amens” were like from the assembly. Kinda like this audio – the audience is rather subdued.

The first rule of the LC is that when Big Brother...
Forum: Papers by various Yesterday, 06:40 PM
Replies: 162
Views: 6,760
Posted By aron
Re: Open Letter - Dear Saints in the Lord's Recovery

Video of Ron Kangas referencing Jo Casteel's letter and the internet:
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Forum: Papers by various Yesterday, 11:58 AM
Replies: 9
Views: 315
Posted By aron
Re: Testimony of God's Grace - Herald Hsu

Not speaking for Jo S or anyone else -- my impression is that ME Barber tried to wave off Nee from reading the deep mysticism stuff like "Spiritual Torrents". But he got hold of that and it affected...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies Yesterday, 07:32 AM
Replies: 27
Views: 2,047
Posted By aron
Re: Hope for all you church kids

RO,

I think that the "functional agnostic" ex-church kids who have recently come on board this forum have a powerful voice to describe life inside the LC, and life after. Most of them, presently,...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 07-19-2019, 12:08 PM
Replies: 12
Views: 545
Posted By aron
Re: Ex Church kid from the 90's east coast here

If you click on the little triangle next to the name it takes you to the thread. The next quote is from MV, also cited in my [erring] post. As I said, I mistakenly conflated two posts as from the...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 07-19-2019, 02:25 AM
Replies: 12
Views: 545
Posted By aron
Re: Ex Church kid from the 90's east coast here

MarsVolta,

Sorry about that. I saw "different ideology" on your second post then mistakenly conflated two posts on another thread.

And voila a mess ensues.

Well, it's none of my business how...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 07-18-2019, 10:32 AM
Replies: 65
Views: 1,180
Posted By aron
Re: Erroneous teaching of Lee concerning natural affection

Jesus was the one who reproved the ruthless. You and I are the ruthless. We are not God's avenging angels, however tempting it might seem when we survey the likes of Nee and Lee (and Chu, Dong et...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 07-18-2019, 07:59 AM
Replies: 16
Views: 660
Posted By aron
Re: My Hand Is Against The Prophets Who See False Visions....Ezekiel 13:9

Part of it was ignorance combined with culture/superstition. According to cultural concepts of Nee & Lee, there HAD to be an untouchable BMOC on top of the heap. That was just how it works. So they...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 07-18-2019, 07:54 AM
Replies: 16
Views: 660
Posted By aron
Re: My Hand Is Against The Prophets Who See False Visions....Ezekiel 13:9

Notice how they'd sometimes label the meeting series or conferences as "perfecting trainings"? By getting "trained" or conformed to the groupthink, you were supposedly getting more like the Ascended...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 07-18-2019, 02:29 AM
Replies: 16
Views: 660
Posted By aron
Re: My Hand Is Against The Prophets Who See False Visions....Ezekiel 13:9

It was a clever back-door ruse. "No opinions" meant only my opinion ever got heard. "No Pastor" meant I got to direct everything. "No culture" meant only my culture set group norms. "No ambition"...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 07-17-2019, 09:57 AM
Replies: 12
Views: 545
Posted By aron
Re: Ex Church kid from the 90's east coast here

Welcome. As much as you can, heal from the fear. It isn't easy but your "authentic self" is free from fear. They imposed THEIR fear on you. Reject it.



You may be able to help them heal, in the...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 07-17-2019, 02:39 AM
Replies: 65
Views: 1,180
Posted By aron
Re: Erroneous teaching of Lee concerning natural affection

Jo S has a great view, as valid here as any other. There is a larger world than the Lord's recovery (LR). Problems in the LR indicate larger issues, and discussion benefits by these issues.

We are...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 07-13-2019, 05:47 PM
Replies: 80
Views: 2,266
Posted By aron
Re: How do you know God cares?

Kind of a silly question, I daresay – of course it’s whether God cares if the Astros win the pennant - I mean, what else is worth caring about, in this age?

Seriously, though, the Bible says “God...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 07-13-2019, 07:07 AM
Replies: 80
Views: 2,266
Posted By aron
Re: How do you know God cares?

Trapped,

I appreciate your ability to articulate what many, actually, are feeling, but either can't say it well or won't because it sounds "bad" coming out. They're conditioned to passively accept...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 07-12-2019, 02:29 AM
Replies: 272
Views: 60,716
Posted By aron
When you give alms

The following is a continuation of post #259Matthew 6:2-4 When you give alms, do not blow a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets to win the praise of others....
Forum: Apologetic discussions 07-10-2019, 07:21 AM
Replies: 272
Views: 60,716
Posted By aron
Re: What is God's Economy?

In some ways I've used this forum for similar purposes as WL did with the LR. I use it as a sounding board for my ideas. However, I'm not the MOTA, and my ideas get pruned by others, or ignored, or...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 07-10-2019, 02:50 AM
Replies: 272
Views: 60,716
Posted By aron
Re: What is God's Economy?

Continuing post #261, Paul devotes 2 whole chapters, 2 Corinthians 7 and 8, to the collection for the poor in Jerusalem. Here are the first 4 verses from chapter 7.

"And now, brothers and sisters,...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 07-09-2019, 04:52 PM
Replies: 31
Views: 837
Posted By aron
Re: Definition of "The Lordīs Recovery"

I can't see how anyone could sit under W. Lee's excoriations of Christianity and not come away untraumatized. Imagine sitting there passively while your spiritual family is denigrated. I was there...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 07-09-2019, 04:29 PM
Replies: 272
Views: 60,716
Posted By aron
Re: What is God's Economy?

Paul writes not to teach other than God's economy, which is in faith. And then the New Jerusalem has 'nations' [Gk: ethnoi] bringing their glory to it... seems to have shades of Solomon indeed.

1...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 07-09-2019, 01:31 PM
Replies: 272
Views: 60,716
Posted By aron
Re: What if?

I cite Didache as a window into "God's economy" because it's a well-attested first/second-century letter which is sub-titled "the teaching of the Twelve to the Nations". It's an early commentary on...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 07-09-2019, 09:53 AM
Replies: 272
Views: 60,716
Posted By aron
Re: What if?

I read an affirmation of the idea of "look after" via material care, in the epistle "Didache". This epistle is an early witness to the gospels, quoting them extensively and providing commentary.
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Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 07-09-2019, 02:32 AM
Replies: 4
Views: 840
Posted By aron
Pioneers of the Heavenly Way by TA Sparks

I really appreciated the testimony, especially the notes on the book by Sparks. Sometimes I get soooooo frustrated because I feel like I'm re-inventing the wheel when I just want to plop down in...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 07-08-2019, 01:00 PM
Replies: 31
Views: 837
Posted By aron
Re: Definition of "The Lordīs Recovery"

There's no doubt in my mind that the epithets we sat under - "Poor, poor Christianity... too poor!" - affected our ability to grapple with the darkness that followed. We sat there and passively...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 07-08-2019, 12:51 PM
Replies: 115
Views: 2,572
Posted By aron
Re: I need a church life that isn't led astray!!!

Jesus said, "When you pray, pray in this manner..." I'll take Jesus' formula over yours. Your cargo-cult objections notwithstanding.

Doesn't mean we HAVE to pray in this manner. But Jesus gave us...
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