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Forum: Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes 01-26-2015, 02:32 PM
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Posted By Cassidy
Re: Examining LSM's Eschatology - Revelation's 7 Churches

Ohio> "Remnant theology" is the basis for all of Darby's, Nee's, and Lee's teachings -- that the body of Christ has failed, and God wants to use a remnant to accomplish His Purpose. I have heard...
Forum: Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes 01-26-2015, 02:23 PM
Replies: 132
Views: 58,283
Posted By Cassidy
Re: Examining LSM's Eschatology - Revelation's 7 Churches

No, it means more than that now. Has to do with Israel and the Church..... Google it.
Forum: Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes 01-26-2015, 02:18 PM
Replies: 132
Views: 58,283
Posted By Cassidy
Re: Examining LSM's Eschatology - Revelation's 7 Churches

Well Ohio, I really like the teachings of Watchman Nee and Witness Lee and how they open up the revelation in the Bible and the cross-references they used... and connecting the dots between OT and...
Forum: Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes 01-26-2015, 01:56 PM
Replies: 132
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Posted By Cassidy
Re: Examining LSM's Eschatology - Revelation's 7 Churches

Igzy> Okay, but isn't the whole theory of "recovery" that we build on the shoulders of others? That being the case, shouldn't we usually give modern scholars the benefit of the doubt?

I think we...
Forum: Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes 01-26-2015, 01:37 PM
Replies: 132
Views: 58,283
Posted By Cassidy
Re: Examining LSM's Eschatology - Revelation's 7 Churches

Yes, I agree with that.. and that is another reason why I disagree with awareness' view.
Forum: Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes 01-26-2015, 01:36 PM
Replies: 132
Views: 58,283
Posted By Cassidy
Re: Examining LSM's Eschatology - Revelation's 7 Churches

I do not know how it could be mistaken that I implicitly supported the notion of the merits a cross-section of christian scholars. I have gone out of my way to explicitly reject that whole concept......
Forum: Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes 01-26-2015, 01:26 PM
Replies: 132
Views: 58,283
Posted By Cassidy
Re: Examining LSM's Eschatology - Revelation's 7 Churches

Ohio> Of course Roman Catholicism is a denomination. Of course the Recovery is a denomination.

Not really. However, it is not pertinent to this particular conversation. What I think you mean by...
Forum: Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes 01-26-2015, 01:14 PM
Replies: 132
Views: 58,283
Posted By Cassidy
Re: Examining LSM's Eschatology - Revelation's 7 Churches

Ohio, I never asserted that I was "presenting a cross-section of Christian scholarship" because I am not convinced that a cross-section of Christian scholarship will reveal the truth of the...
Forum: Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes 01-26-2015, 12:48 PM
Replies: 132
Views: 58,283
Posted By Cassidy
Re: Examining LSM's Eschatology - Revelation's 7 Churches

There is no deflection...... at all.

Ohio clarified his point of view in the first sentence....that's fine and I now understand that he does not hold a strict literal view (like what awareness...
Forum: Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes 01-26-2015, 12:33 PM
Replies: 132
Views: 58,283
Posted By Cassidy
Re: Examining LSM's Eschatology - Revelation's 7 Churches

I think that is a reasonable assumption to make...... still, that does not entitle him to a free pass.....
Forum: Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes 01-26-2015, 12:12 PM
Replies: 132
Views: 58,283
Posted By Cassidy
Re: Examining LSM's Eschatology - Revelation's 7 Churches

Ohio> What I disagree with is Nee's, and subsequently Lee's, interpretation of Revelation that the 7 churches only portray 7 successive time periods in church history, and focus only on 7...
Forum: Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes 01-26-2015, 11:55 AM
Replies: 132
Views: 58,283
Posted By Cassidy
Re: Examining LSM's Eschatology - Revelation's 7 Churches

awareness> The Historical Ages Interpretation of the Churches of Revelation 2 and 3 is not new to Nee and Lee. It's a view held by C. I. Scofield, G.H. Pember, Andrew Miller (Church History) to...
Forum: Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes 01-24-2015, 07:29 PM
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Views: 58,283
Posted By Cassidy
Re: Examining LSM's Eschatology - Revelation's 7 Churches

Untohim> Why don't you save us all a lot of time and energy and actually give us an actual quote from one of these "progressive and modern scholars" that you disagree with.

Barr. Already posted.
Forum: Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes 01-24-2015, 07:01 PM
Replies: 132
Views: 58,283
Posted By Cassidy
Re: Examining LSM's Eschatology - Revelation's 7 Churches

Ohio,

Let me make sure I understand your belief about this. You believe that the seven churches in Revelation 2 and 3 have no prophetic significance and that the content of those letters is only...
Forum: Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes 01-24-2015, 06:19 PM
Replies: 132
Views: 58,283
Posted By Cassidy
Re: Examining LSM's Eschatology - Revelation's 7 Churches

Ohio> e.g. they would not dismiss the letters to Ephesus, Smyrna, and Pergamos claiming that these churches no longer exist in our times, as both Nee and Lee have done.

Okay, let's discuss.
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Forum: Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes 01-24-2015, 06:07 PM
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Views: 58,283
Posted By Cassidy
Re: Examining LSM's Eschatology - Revelation's 7 Churches

Ray, this much bigger than Witness Lee.
Forum: Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes 01-24-2015, 05:01 PM
Replies: 132
Views: 58,283
Posted By Cassidy
Re: Examining LSM's Eschatology - Revelation's 7 Churches

Ohio> Could you please rethink your position on "Examining LSM's Eschatology ..." and re-address some specifics that we can discuss, with specific references to Tomes' paper?

Ohio,

I would...
Forum: Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes 01-24-2015, 10:12 AM
Replies: 132
Views: 58,283
Posted By Cassidy
Re: Examining LSM's Eschatology - Revelation's 7 Churches

Dr Tomes> LSM’s prophetic teachings ought to be re-evaluated in the light of world events and recent biblical scholarship. That is a huge task; it encompasses Daniel’s prophecy of “70 weeks,” the...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 01-22-2015, 03:22 PM
Replies: 29
Views: 7,823
Posted By Cassidy
Re: What God's Economy Means to Me Now

UReg>Our DNA goes back bilions of years

Oh you mean single-celled prokaryotic cells... bacteria. Well, okay, perhaps .... for some. :)

Talk about a brainwashing religion... that theory of...
Forum: Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes 01-18-2015, 12:33 PM
Replies: 120
Views: 42,669
Posted By Cassidy
Forum: Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes 01-18-2015, 11:07 AM
Replies: 120
Views: 42,669
Posted By Cassidy
Re: Signs of a Non-Starter in the Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes

OBW>You fail to note that a 4x increase is a relatively insignificant thing when the starting point is near zero.

750 is a small number... and so is 3000 compared to the larger context. The...
Forum: Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes 01-18-2015, 10:24 AM
Replies: 120
Views: 42,669
Posted By Cassidy
Re: Signs of Decline in LSMs Recovery - Tomes

Freedom> if a single congregation were to increase membership from 750 to 3000 over 15 years, that would be impressive.

The debate is not about the size of the local churches compared to the...
Forum: Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes 01-18-2015, 06:52 AM
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Views: 42,669
Posted By Cassidy
Re: Signs of a Non-Starter in the Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes

Igzy>Well, you have a point. But that doesn't help LSM's problem of declining interest in Lee at all, does it?

What decline? Post 28 from Unregistered shows a 4X increase over a 14 year period in...
Forum: Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes 01-18-2015, 05:56 AM
Replies: 120
Views: 42,669
Posted By Cassidy
Re: Signs of Decline in LSMs Recovery - Tomes

Cliffhanger> Let's give Nigel Tomes some room, after all he was under this kind of myth for many years and he is just trying to work his way through all the Local Church myths.

Cliffhanger,
...
Forum: Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes 01-17-2015, 03:13 PM
Replies: 120
Views: 42,669
Posted By Cassidy
Re: Signs of a Non-Starter in the Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes

Hi Ray,

Thanks, good to see you. There was some levity built in. If Nigel ever comes by I hope he takes it that way. :)
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