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Forum: Apologetic discussions 05-06-2015, 10:53 PM
Replies: 96
Views: 50,773
Posted By rayliotta
Re: Good vs. Lee's Trees

Some of these men have spoken openly about what they will "say to Brother Lee" when they "see him again," in that day. That is not an act. They feel, in their hearts, that they owe this man an...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 05-06-2015, 10:33 PM
Replies: 90
Views: 5,577
Posted By rayliotta
Re: To my friends in Alternative Views

From where I stand, the biggest problems with the "Lord's Recovery" (or whatever we, or they, choose to call it today) or less religious than they are social, or relationship-related.
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 05-06-2015, 10:31 PM
Replies: 90
Views: 5,577
Posted By rayliotta
Re: To my friends in Alternative Views

Perhaps the motto of the Alt Views forum could be, "Look, but don't touch."
Forum: Writings and Concerns of Steve Isitt 03-09-2015, 11:12 PM
Replies: 488
Views: 281,235
Posted By rayliotta
Re: Subtle Issues of Right and Wrong

Cover-ups are very much a part of the culture of the Lord's Recovery. Even if the leaders were to make some kind of thorough public confession as you are calling for, Indiana, I would still wonder if...
Forum: Writings and Concerns of Steve Isitt 02-26-2015, 12:48 AM
Replies: 488
Views: 281,235
Posted By rayliotta
Re: Sacrafice and Sail On - Book by Philip Lin

Mail order brides? Do they have standing orders for them now, too? :stunned:
Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice 02-18-2015, 10:22 PM
Replies: 61
Views: 24,638
Posted By rayliotta
Re: Against the LC Practice of Prophesying

But profitable for what? We weren't building up something of God, we were building up Witness Lee's personal empire. Which is now the Blended Brothers' personal empire. Which was supposed to have...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 02-18-2015, 10:01 PM
Replies: 21
Views: 8,094
Posted By rayliotta
Re: Feeling stuck.

Dear Unregistered,

Your sharing is encouraging. I believe you are lucky that you have only been involved with them for six months, and I wish you strength and peace as you find your way over the...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 02-18-2015, 09:49 PM
Replies: 38
Views: 11,294
Posted By rayliotta
Re: Waking Up

But a compelling one.
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 02-18-2015, 09:49 PM
Replies: 38
Views: 11,294
Posted By rayliotta
Re: Waking Up

Yes. It becomes a false choice.
Forum: Apologetic discussions 02-18-2015, 09:44 PM
Replies: 559
Views: 169,509
Posted By rayliotta
Re: The Asian mind and the Western mind

Because the Middle Kingdom is in the middle of the Chinese map. Just as North America is at the top of the North American map. "Ethnocentrism," I believe the textbooks call it -- and we can fill in...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 02-17-2015, 11:24 PM
Replies: 559
Views: 169,509
Posted By rayliotta
Re: An interesting web site.

Thanks for the link, aron. The article touches on relevant topics. It may be difficult to overstate how much of a role these cross-cultural misunderstandings and blind spots play/ed into the recovery...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 02-17-2015, 10:22 PM
Replies: 38
Views: 11,294
Posted By rayliotta
Re: Waking Up

This discussion really hits the nail on the head for me. Reestablishing balance after participating in this kind of organization does take time. It takes a few years. But it does happen sooner or...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 02-10-2015, 11:41 PM
Replies: 38
Views: 11,294
Posted By rayliotta
Re: Hypocrisy of men

Yeah, I remember telling someone, "If he wants to say something to me, he can say it to my face."

The response was just a smile, because of course that was not going to happen. Indirect/proxy...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 02-09-2015, 05:04 PM
Replies: 985
Views: 402,828
Posted By rayliotta
Re: How Much To Throw Out?

Good thing Mr Graver was "in the spirit" while he rebuked others for being "in the flesh."
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 02-04-2015, 10:52 PM
Replies: 28
Views: 13,207
Posted By rayliotta
Re: Taking the Ground

Absolutely not. They're not "standing on the ground" until they're given the green light by the representatives of the Apostle of the Age, even if they're thousands of miles away. And these...
Forum: Writings and Concerns of Steve Isitt 02-04-2015, 10:47 PM
Replies: 488
Views: 281,235
Posted By rayliotta
Re: Sacrafice and Sail On - Book by Philip Lin

Yes. And it's attitudes like these, which I also used to share, that give rise to this question: Who is really being worshiped? Who, exactly, are they really afraid of, when they fear to worship...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 02-04-2015, 10:42 PM
Replies: 28
Views: 13,207
Posted By rayliotta
Re: Taking the Ground

And when they increase, they create districts, "Hall 1," "Hall 2," and so forth. (Of course, this is very, very different from names like "First Baptist Church" and "Second Baptist Church"!)
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Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice 02-04-2015, 10:33 PM
Replies: 20
Views: 6,811
Posted By rayliotta
Re: Covenant

I used to wonder why so many elders' wives seem to keep a distance from local church activities. Even now, I'm not really sure I understand the dynamic at play there...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 02-03-2015, 10:19 PM
Replies: 985
Views: 402,828
Posted By rayliotta
Re: How Much To Throw Out?

So Lee was either denying that he was the MOTA, or (the ultimate hubris), claiming to not only be the MOTA, but to be the last one -- the ultimate link on the chain...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 02-02-2015, 05:36 PM
Replies: 985
Views: 402,828
Posted By rayliotta
Re: How Much To Throw Out?

So my understanding would be something along these lines --

When Witness Lee was saying that "the age of spiritual giants is over," he was essentially denying that he himself had any such position...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 02-02-2015, 04:49 PM
Replies: 33
Views: 3,513
Posted By rayliotta
Forum: Writings and Concerns of Steve Isitt 02-02-2015, 04:46 PM
Replies: 488
Views: 281,235
Posted By rayliotta
Re: Sacrafice and Sail On - Book by Philip Lin

Here's a joke for ya --

Q. What did Pontius Pilate say to Thomas Jefferson?
A. What is free speech?
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 02-02-2015, 04:38 PM
Replies: 985
Views: 402,828
Posted By rayliotta
Re: How Much To Throw Out?

When people sell out their consciences in the way that sometimes happens in the Recovery, it makes one wonder what, or who, exactly, is being worshiped...O who has bewitched you?..:rollingeyesfrown:
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 02-02-2015, 04:29 PM
Replies: 985
Views: 402,828
Posted By rayliotta
Re: How Much To Throw Out?

"The age of spiritual giants is over." Did Witness Lee say this himself? That would be hubris indeed...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 02-02-2015, 04:25 PM
Replies: 985
Views: 402,828
Posted By rayliotta
Re: How Much To Throw Out?

As others have pointed out before, and I've mentioned it recently, certain LSM leaders sometimes speak about "what they will say" when they "see Witness Lee again." I think there's a kind of fear...
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