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Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 03-10-2020, 09:42 AM
Replies: 85
Views: 6,043
Posted By OBW
Re: ETERNAL TORMENT IS FALSE TEACHING WHAT SAY YE'?

(Sorry for not responding sooner, but I don't frequent the site as much as I used to.)

When you ask "What does The Spirit have to say . . ." you raise an interesting question. I do not deny that...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 02-28-2020, 01:47 PM
Replies: 268
Views: 19,666
Posted By OBW
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

Too true. But the question that they still do not ask is, "were Nee or Lee actually qualified to lead?"

Of course, if they actually asked that question, they would have realized the answer and...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 02-28-2020, 09:12 AM
Replies: 562
Views: 195,562
Posted By OBW
Re: The Asian Mind/The Western Mind

It makes you wonder how the LC got a foothold in a culture steeped in "rugged individualism" and pulling oneself up "by the bootstraps." Somehow a bunch of people stepped out of the mundane of...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 02-28-2020, 08:54 AM
Replies: 8
Views: 416
Posted By OBW
Re: Idealism

I think that the kind of idealism that the LCM is about is something unique to them and to their "speciality."

But idealism is important to the church. We should have the ideal that we are one in...
Forum: Blogosphere @ LocalChurchDiscussions 02-27-2020, 09:16 AM
Replies: 82
Views: 58,790
Posted By OBW
What is Unity (or Oneness)?

In the same place that I found the issue concerning baggage added to salvation for my previous post, there was a discussion concerning whether the Father was in or with Christ as he experienced the...
Forum: Blogosphere @ LocalChurchDiscussions 02-27-2020, 09:01 AM
Replies: 82
Views: 58,790
Posted By OBW
How Much Baggage on Salvation?

I occasionally go back and read through some of the more lengthy threads to see how the discussions progressed. Sometimes I find a comment or even side discussion that does not get much if any...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 02-07-2020, 10:19 AM
Replies: 30
Views: 1,370
Posted By OBW
Re: Fixing the Problems Helps Everyone Concerned, even LC Leadership

And when Paul said "nullified," he would be declaring that grace was failing to be realized, not that it is lost or eliminated.

So I guess now that we are on the same page.
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 02-07-2020, 10:11 AM
Replies: 5,972
Views: 346,114
Posted By OBW
Re: Politics and the Church - Impeachable?

Sounds a little like the kind of propaganda that adds demeaning nicknames for everyone that disagrees with Trump. (In other words, you forgot the Republican apparatus.) The group that declares...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 02-07-2020, 09:37 AM
Replies: 107
Views: 12,695
Posted By OBW
Re: Quotes and Quips

It just seems like stating something too obvious. Is there somewhere that people suggest that Moses or Paul were aloof relative to their human surroundings? It is just too unimpressive or meaningful...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 02-07-2020, 09:28 AM
Replies: 30
Views: 1,370
Posted By OBW
Re: Fixing the Problems Helps Everyone Concerned, even LC Leadership

You said a lot of true things. But I don't think you really addressed my concern. I did not say that anything of the law was beneficial (or of any value), but that any action under the law did not...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 02-06-2020, 02:39 PM
Replies: 107
Views: 12,695
Posted By OBW
Re: Quotes and Quips

I'm a little perplexed. That Ravi Zacharias quote is so void of context that I cannot figure out why it was said or what it really means.

Am I missing something?
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 02-06-2020, 02:30 PM
Replies: 30
Views: 1,370
Posted By OBW
Re: Fixing the Problems Helps Everyone Concerned, even LC Leadership

Can you help me see where it is that anything added nullifies God's grace? I find that the thing added does nothing, but have not found where also doing something from the law nullified the grace...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 02-06-2020, 10:26 AM
Replies: 5,972
Views: 346,114
Posted By OBW
Re: Politics and the Church - Impeachable?

You did not actually say anything about my point. I never said that Biden didn't get the guy fired. It was a point of US policy that required it. I guess you are still stuck on the ignorant notion...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 02-05-2020, 04:56 PM
Replies: 5,972
Views: 346,114
Posted By OBW
Re: Politics and the Church - Impeachable?

The problem is that the prosecutor was not investigating anything. Not even Burisma. The guy fired was at least somewhat tied back to the prior regime and had no desire to uncover anything. If...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 02-05-2020, 04:39 PM
Replies: 107
Views: 12,695
Posted By OBW
Re: Quotes and Quips - "enable men to become sons of God"

I don't think the example would be just for shock, though it initially does that.

And it is not "less meaningful." More like just plain wrong.

But it sounds nice . . . especially if you already...
Forum: Fellowship Hall 01-29-2020, 10:15 AM
Replies: 5
Views: 419
Posted By OBW
Re: Folk Religion

aron,

Not sure how to understand the first of your post relative to the end. You seem to be punting on any ability to recognize something unsubstantiated because you believe in those 4 unprovable...
Forum: Fellowship Hall 01-27-2020, 09:23 AM
Replies: 5
Views: 419
Posted By OBW
Folk Religion

I read something during the last week that reminded me of some of the flaws in the LC, and, unfortunately, in the thinking of many people in many of the churches some of us attend. I don't hear it in...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 01-20-2020, 08:48 AM
Replies: 70
Views: 10,067
Posted By OBW
Re: Sad Funny Ridiculous

Sounds like a modern reenactment of the scene in Pride and Prejudice where Mr Collins (here played by Dan T) comes to gloat over the condition of his poor cousins after Lydia is found to have eloped...
Forum: Christian Movements/Ministries 01-20-2020, 08:29 AM
Replies: 55
Views: 4,047
Posted By OBW
Re: LordsRecovery.Org Exposing the Christian Cult of Witness Lee's Local Ch

Yes, we are accountable for the lack of love. But the reason for the lack of love was that it was drained away from us through the pesha (see the thread on truth) of Lee. And that pesha came to...
Forum: Christian Movements/Ministries 01-18-2020, 04:00 PM
Replies: 17
Views: 1,187
Posted By OBW
Re: A Review of Hank's Recent Book.

It might appear that way. But I found during my years moving from simply not being there, then to questioning more than just poor practices and Phariseeism, then beyond that, that there was something...
Forum: Christian Movements/Ministries 01-18-2020, 07:13 AM
Replies: 17
Views: 1,187
Posted By OBW
Re: A Review of Hank's Recent Book.

Your presumption as to how complete the corruption in some of those places was is not supported by the scripture. Besides, the speaking actually recorded in the scripture was not from within those...
Forum: Christian Movements/Ministries 01-17-2020, 04:22 PM
Replies: 17
Views: 1,187
Posted By OBW
Re: A Review of Hank's Recent Book.

I don't care how much anyone wraps their (or others') words in outward signs of exuberance or of deep emotional impact, you can't just presume "anointing" if the source of what raised the outward...
Forum: Christian Movements/Ministries 01-16-2020, 02:43 PM
Replies: 17
Views: 1,187
Posted By OBW
Re: A Review of Hank's Recent Book.

I'd say that for a lot of things, including where and how we get our teaching. I'd rather have someone with a reasonable amount of training (perhaps a degree) from a reputable seminary be responsible...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 01-16-2020, 01:46 PM
Replies: 305
Views: 86,093
Posted By OBW
Re: What is God's Economy?

Well, that would definitely be part of God's economy. And if someone had tried to define it to not be a part, then it clearly should be included.
Forum: Apologetic discussions 01-16-2020, 07:04 AM
Replies: 305
Views: 86,093
Posted By OBW
Re: What is God's Economy?

I'm not sure what you are getting at here. Are you saying that the activities of all of Christ's followers are the same? That everyone engages in the acts that are demonstrated by the apostles?

I...
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