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Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century Today, 12:36 PM
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Posted By aron
Re: Leaving the LRC has consequences....

Good job by Raptor on the quotes.

"Some of you may have even considered that you should leave the church life."

Now, is this the speaking from a great spiritual person on the earth (Benson...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching Today, 09:39 AM
Replies: 77
Views: 901
Posted By aron
Re: Modalism

My impetus wasn't to propose a new matrix per se, but rather to show why WLMCPGN* didn't work, and I said that our conceptual schema, or interpretive approach, might blind us to what is written. I...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching Today, 07:08 AM
Replies: 77
Views: 901
Posted By aron
Re: Modalism

A cursory glance at the day's headlines strongly suggests that the human species isn't very good at solving problems. So how am I supposed to figure out the 'intrinsic' or 'essential' nature of God?...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 06-03-2020, 04:39 PM
Replies: 77
Views: 901
Posted By aron
Re: Modalism

Yet there are other overlaps that don't fit so neatly. One overlap that comes to mind is the angel that tells Stephen to go down the South Road, the Desert Path, and then when he gets there, without...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 06-03-2020, 06:13 AM
Replies: 77
Views: 901
Posted By aron
Re: Modalism

Raptor asked, and Ohio implied, How many Holy Spirits can there be? I showed the verse by Jesus (not some now-obscure Church Father), showing the holy angels coming in glory with the Father and Son....
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 06-02-2020, 11:34 PM
Replies: 77
Views: 901
Posted By aron
Re: Modalism

People like systematic theology, because it creates coherent, manageable thought-worlds. But coherence has a high cost if scripture has to fit the theology, and not the other way round.

At college...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 06-02-2020, 07:28 AM
Replies: 77
Views: 901
Posted By aron
Re: Modalism

There's an interesting and fairly influential (in scholarly circles) book out called "Two Powers in Heaven" by Alan Segal.
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Forum: Regarding Registering and Posting on this Forum 05-31-2020, 03:20 PM
Replies: 64
Views: 20,022
Posted By aron
Re: Why don't Local Church Members Post Here?

You can click on the poster's name, and it shows all their posts. The poster gave his name & address on the first post. You can read all 7 posts.
Forum: Regarding Registering and Posting on this Forum 05-31-2020, 01:10 PM
Replies: 64
Views: 20,022
Posted By aron
Re: Why don't Local Church Members Post Here?

Reminds me of an LC meeting, where we were told, "You can all prophesy one by one." So one by one, after the speaking, everyone got up and exclaimed, "I can prophesy!" Or, "Praise the Lord! I'm...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 05-31-2020, 05:01 AM
Replies: 77
Views: 901
Posted By aron
Re: Modalism

How many Spirits are there? Good question. We don't know.

In the gospels, Jesus says that "Whoever is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his glory...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 05-28-2020, 05:58 AM
Replies: 96
Views: 6,022
Posted By aron
Re: Quotes and Memes

I started this tangent by objecting to the statement posted: "Man cannot see the Father in heaven". Of course we can find a verse that supports this. But we can also see verses that don't support...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 05-28-2020, 03:21 AM
Replies: 96
Views: 6,022
Posted By aron
Re: Quotes and Memes

Thanks for the observation. It sounds on par with my experiences in the meetings.

"When I see something, it's 'so clear', and when I don't see something, it's 'a mystery' ".

Actually, that's...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 05-27-2020, 01:20 PM
Replies: 43
Views: 922
Posted By aron
Re: Responsibility of Christians Responding to Aberrant/Abusive Groups

My personal answer is that my responsibility as a Christian is to find the truth. So I confess Jesus as risen, then what? What is my course? My path? It's not about the LC or any aberrant group. What...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 05-27-2020, 12:56 PM
Replies: 34
Views: 1,345
Posted By aron
Re: Finding Biblical Context For Women 'Are More Easily Deceived'

Correct. If we said, "A woman's place is in the home" that would match public sentiment even 65 years ago. Certainly 150 years ago. So, in one era that might not be 'unspiritual' to say, or affirm....
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 05-27-2020, 12:47 PM
Replies: 96
Views: 6,022
Posted By aron
Re: Quotes and Memes

(From today's 'Witness Wednesday')

Witness Lee: In the heavens, where man cannot see, God the Father;

Jesus: Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 05-27-2020, 11:10 AM
Replies: 34
Views: 1,345
Posted By aron
Re: Finding Biblical Context For Women 'Are More Easily Deceived'

I get this a lot in the fundamentalist Christian circles in which I swim, but I see it differently. I see the "women should submit themselves" to be in the same class as "slaves, obey your masters"....
Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice 05-27-2020, 05:11 AM
Replies: 8
Views: 313
Posted By aron
Re: The main problem with the LC

There are a number of aspects of that representation. One is the "know-it-all" attitude, along with "we alone have the truth", which is embedded into fixations on certain verses, or parts(!!) of...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 05-25-2020, 11:35 PM
Replies: 110
Views: 80,677
Posted By aron
Re: Combating LC Arguments

The LC is a Chinese guanxi network disguised as a Christian church. Why do you think Lee put his unspiritual sons in positions of power and privilege? Because it's a guanxi network. "Verily I tell...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 05-25-2020, 09:58 PM
Replies: 77
Views: 901
Posted By aron
Re: Modalism

It's simple - Christ is the Father (God made flesh) now as the Spirit in you, crying Abba Father back to Him. Since you also are the Father (not as an object of worship, though- that would be...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 05-20-2020, 04:42 PM
Replies: 43
Views: 922
Posted By aron
Re: Responsibility of Christians Responding to Aberrant/Abusive Groups

Yes, I agree. Terms like "perfecting" are successfully placed over shaming and even abuse. Control and manipulation is re-labeled as "taking the cross" and "restrictions". And there is a code of...
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 05-20-2020, 04:35 PM
Replies: 9
Views: 318
Posted By aron
Re: Ravi Zacharias 1946-2020

1. Care for the vulnerable
2. Creativity

"Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma, which is living with the results of other people's...
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 05-20-2020, 01:07 PM
Replies: 9
Views: 318
Posted By aron
Re: Ravi Zacharias 1946-2020

I remember watching a video, some 15-odd years out of the LC, and here's this guy RZ. He's standing on stage, with some young 20-something sitting in a chair next to him, and he's talking. Then he...
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 05-20-2020, 11:00 AM
Replies: 9
Views: 318
Posted By aron
Ravi Zacharias 1946-2020

“He saw the objections and questions of others not as something to be rebuffed, but as a cry of the heart that had to be answered. People weren’t logical problems waiting to be solved; they were...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 05-20-2020, 07:12 AM
Replies: 96
Views: 2,333
Posted By aron
Re: What a Lack of Increase Really Means for the LC

No, you're right. I should have put in a number of qualifiers.
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 05-20-2020, 05:40 AM
Replies: 132
Views: 3,904
Posted By aron
Re: A Corona Virus Great Awakening?

Let me restate my premise (cf #s 103,107): assuming the whole world gave you(us) unfettered access to present your(our) gospel, what assurance do you(we) have that it would go any better than the...
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