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Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! Yesterday, 08:13 PM
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Posted By aron
Re: Paul in Galatians chapter 1 and 2

A previous thought on Witness Lee being presented in the LC as "today's Paul":



How could Witness Lee be "today's Paul" if Paul didn't go to Jerusalem and get discipled by James or John or...
Forum: Apologetic discussions Yesterday, 07:32 PM
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Posted By aron
Re: The Psalms are the word of Christ

If the NT reception of the Psalms had given some precedent, or basis to Brother Lee's approach, we'd have to take it seriously. The NT did not, and neither should we.



Interesting that the ...
Forum: Apologetic discussions Yesterday, 06:04 PM
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Posted By aron
Re: The Psalms are the word of Christ

I could just as easily say Brother Lee attacks David, or even attacks Christ. Your subjectively freighted terminology will only mollify the true believers, who aren't going to be on this site anyway,...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 09-21-2018, 02:34 AM
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Posted By aron
Re: The Psalms are the word of Christ

Ohio and I both noted Paul's spiritually- oriented warfare motif in Ephesians -"not flesh and blood" - but you let it pass. I noted the many martial aspects of Jesus' gospel activities against the...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 09-21-2018, 02:22 AM
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Posted By aron
Re: The Psalms are the word of Christ

I don't recall the NT citing the badger skins or silver sockets of the ark. Yet WL made his living at going beyond what was written. But you & his captive audience don't seem to notice the glaring...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 09-20-2018, 02:21 PM
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Posted By aron
Re: The Psalms are the word of Christ

My point was this: when I came into the recovery church, the allegories would make your head swim. Christ was "the reality of all positive things" in the text. Christ wasn't just "the good land; no,...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 09-20-2018, 03:14 AM
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Posted By aron
Re: The Psalms are the word of Christ

It's probably not coincidental that German Lutherans carried out the most violent and thorough anti-Jewish pogrom of modern times. One might want to keep that in mind when using Luther's anti-James...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 09-20-2018, 02:47 AM
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Posted By aron
Re: The Psalms are the word of Christ

This is where "different weights and measures" comes into play. We can point out that David occasionally entertained fallen human concepts, but to suggest that WL could also be thus compromised was...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 09-20-2018, 02:38 AM
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Posted By aron
Re: The Psalms are the word of Christ

WL could see Christ in the silver sockets of the ark. "Christ is everything" was the mantra. Yet no one apparently noted when he did an exegetical about-face in the Psalms. Or they noted, but kept...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 09-20-2018, 02:32 AM
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Posted By aron
Re: The Psalms are the word of Christ

In the Psalms, WL went from being an allegorist of the first rank to being a strict constructionist. And none in his assembly noticed, because to note such things might threaten the harmony - oneness...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 09-19-2018, 06:41 AM
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Posted By aron
Re: The Psalms are the word of Christ

Sorry I occasionally lapse into colorful expressions which don't match the facts on the ground. No, WL didn't "lop off" scriptures. But he disregarded them as vain, fallen human concepts. Read my...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 09-19-2018, 06:35 AM
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Posted By aron
Re: The Psalms are the word of Christ

You may disregard these psalms since they were written by sinners. And you may disregard my pointing them out. But the important question is, did Jesus also disregard them?
Forum: Apologetic discussions 09-19-2018, 02:20 AM
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Posted By aron
Re: The Psalms are the word of Christ

The DSS say that David wrote the Psalms in the spirit. Jesus and Peter agreed with that in the NT. Paul told us to be "filled in spirit" singing them.

Don't you think we should be a little less...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 09-18-2018, 06:22 PM
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Posted By aron
Re: The Psalms are the word of Christ

If the NT reception indicates thus. Otherwise tread with care. "All scripture is God-breathed", not 35% of it. "Man shall live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God", not 25% of it.
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Forum: Apologetic discussions 09-18-2018, 06:17 PM
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Posted By aron
Re: The Psalms are the word of Christ

I never said it did. I said to perfunctorily cut off 70% of scripture with no NT precedent was wrong. I didn't say, "Every Psalm applies". You're changing the subject. Paul didn't write, "Let the...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 09-18-2018, 06:02 PM
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Posted By aron
Re: The Psalms are the word of Christ

But where in the NT does it say that only those explicit citations apply, and the rest are vain? Here is my first post on this thread (see esp bolded):
Forum: Apologetic discussions 09-18-2018, 05:55 PM
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Posted By aron
Re: The Psalms are the word of Christ

Peter answered this definitively in Acts 2. David's failure (his grave is with us today) does not obviate Christ's victory (he rose from the dead). Yet Lee ignores this and places restrictions on the...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 09-18-2018, 02:52 PM
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Posted By aron
Re: The Psalms are the word of Christ

What makes David's failures remove the picture of Christ? Does the king marrying the Tyrean princess in Psalm 45 make it no longer a picture of Christ? Suppose that wedding was Ahab and Jezebel (a...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 09-18-2018, 02:50 PM
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Posted By aron
Re: The Psalms are the word of Christ

What if a Bible expositor told you that 80% of the Bible was fallen human concepts and only 20% revelatory? Would you react in horror? How about 60% and 40%?

Would you perhaps respond that no,...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 09-18-2018, 02:43 PM
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Posted By aron
Re: The Psalms are the word of Christ

You mis-read me terribly. My point was, on what basis did Witness Lee say that 34 of the first 41 psalms were human concepts? Because the writer was a sinner? Because he struggled against his foes?...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 09-18-2018, 02:27 PM
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Posted By aron
Re: The Psalms are the word of Christ

On Pentecost, Peter told the story of a man who broke the power of death. This was exemplified in Psalm 16, but nowhere do I see Peter (or others) suggesting that this also doesn't apply to Psalm 3,...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 09-18-2018, 09:25 AM
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Posted By aron
Re: The Psalms are the word of Christ

Nowhere in NT reception of OT scripture to we see an invitation to the wholesale dismissal that it received at Lee's hands. Rather we consistently see the opposite.

Apparently he had a special...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 09-18-2018, 06:04 AM
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Posted By aron
Re: The Psalms are the word of Christ

Lee with the secret MOTA decoder ring could see "Christ" in the windows of Noah's ark. In the badger skins of the tabernacle. But not in the tree growing by the streams of water, whose leaf never...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 09-18-2018, 03:01 AM
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Posted By aron
Re: The Psalms are the word of Christ

I've addressed this repeatedly - Paul said, "We fight not against flesh and blood but against spiritual forces".

If you disqualify David on such grounds then you must also disqualify Samuel for...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 09-18-2018, 02:52 AM
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Views: 291,557
Posted By aron
Re: The Psalms are the word of Christ

Back to the title. Paul called the Psalms "the word of Christ", and nowhere do I see him (or others) indicating that this pertains only to 25% of the text.

What is astonishing is that thousands...
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