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Forum: Regarding Registering and Posting on this Forum 08-17-2018, 07:49 PM
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Posted By Evangelical
Re: The Mormon Church is "The Church"?

To clarify my statement about lipstick on a pig, the Reformation was in 3 stages:
1. The initial stage of liberty from Catholicism - this is what everyone wants the Reformation to be known for, this...
Forum: Regarding Registering and Posting on this Forum 08-17-2018, 07:36 PM
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Views: 307
Posted By Evangelical
Re: The Mormon Church is "The Church"?

The Spirit and the reformers were recovering the truth. Meanwhile, the reformation became a movement of bloodshed and violence. Catholics were killing Protestants and Protestants were killing...
Forum: Regarding Registering and Posting on this Forum 08-17-2018, 07:26 PM
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Views: 307
Posted By Evangelical
Re: The Mormon Church is "The Church"?

I think Luther was trying to reform a pig, initially. Perhaps he did not know its true nature at first. He maintained a belief that it was the true church. But eventually he realized it was not...
Forum: Regarding Registering and Posting on this Forum 08-17-2018, 01:37 AM
Replies: 27
Views: 307
Posted By Evangelical
Re: The Mormon Church is "The Church"?

They are different words that have different meanings. Yet I consider the word "reform" as in reformation of Catholicism or "the reformation" to be a worse term than recover or restore, and to me...
Forum: Regarding Registering and Posting on this Forum 08-16-2018, 06:11 PM
Replies: 27
Views: 307
Posted By Evangelical
Re: The Mormon Church is "The Church"?

I don't see the point of this considering that the Orthodox church and the Roman Catholic church have been referring to themselves as "The Church" for hundreds of years. Seems like another thread...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-14-2018, 04:11 PM
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Views: 6,312
Posted By Evangelical
Re: Outer Darkness?

They could be tares, is true. A genuine believer would most likely be profitable in even small things which are rewarded (Matthew 25:40). The small things we do without thinking anything of them, are...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-13-2018, 11:14 PM
Replies: 320
Views: 6,312
Posted By Evangelical
Re: Outer Darkness?

No, they are different tests, but it shows that punishment for believers is not eternal. If outer darkness is eternal, then we cannot believe in eternal security.
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-13-2018, 10:41 PM
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Posted By Evangelical
Re: Outer Darkness?

That's right, and the man himself was saved.
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-13-2018, 08:37 PM
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Posted By Evangelical
Re: Outer Darkness?

Loss of the works
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-13-2018, 06:53 PM
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Views: 6,312
Posted By Evangelical
Re: Outer Darkness?

Interpretation would have been a better choice of word than imagination.

The thought of unicorns and rainbows while reading a parable is an imagination. Comparing two or more parables and then...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-13-2018, 06:47 PM
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Views: 6,312
Posted By Evangelical
Re: Outer Darkness?

You've missed the point too busy trying to sound smart.

Yes the fire is a test, but it then describes what happens to those who fail the test.

They "suffer loss" - that's a kind of...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-13-2018, 02:54 AM
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Views: 6,312
Posted By Evangelical
Re: Outer Darkness?

As an independent reader I have reviewed Drake's post in question. He stated that it comes from a "correlation between parables".
This was interpreted by you as "an amalgam of human imagination". ...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-13-2018, 02:48 AM
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Views: 6,312
Posted By Evangelical
Re: Outer Darkness?

The verse shows God's punishment for believers is temporary. So we can know that outer darkness as a punishment for believers, is temporary.

If we believe otherwise we cannot believe in eternal...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-12-2018, 10:03 PM
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Views: 6,312
Posted By Evangelical
Re: Outer Darkness?

I thought the answer to that should be obvious:

1 Cor 3:15
“If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as through fire"

Yes fire does...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-12-2018, 07:39 PM
Replies: 320
Views: 6,312
Posted By Evangelical
Re: Outer Darkness?

It's post #6, and the statement I quoted reflects the general misunderstanding in Christianity that salvation means justification and sanctification is not related to salvation.
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-12-2018, 06:57 PM
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Views: 6,312
Posted By Evangelical
Re: Outer Darkness?

Your question is equivalent to asking "how would gold be refined through fire, wouldn't it need light?". Obviously for the purification to take place, the impurities need to be burned away.
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Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-12-2018, 05:01 PM
Replies: 320
Views: 6,312
Posted By Evangelical
Re: Outer Darkness?

It is human psychology to recall bad events or teachings and forget the good...particularly if they are 30 years ago. Whenever I hear about outer darkness it is often tempered with the truth about...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-11-2018, 01:56 AM
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Posted By Evangelical
Re: Outer Darkness?

As much as some of you have tried to exaggerate the teachings about outer darkness and the supposed fear it brings - I think it pales in comparison to Christian teachings about hell and eternal...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-11-2018, 01:30 AM
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Views: 6,312
Posted By Evangelical
Re: Outer Darkness?

Nothing like this is taught in the local churches or by Nee or Lee and I have never heard of outer darkness being used as a weapon of fear. You have this perspective about overcomers because you are...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-11-2018, 01:12 AM
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Views: 6,312
Posted By Evangelical
Re: Outer Darkness?

There's nothing in the teachings that says overcoming is by our own efforts. That more reflects their lack of faith in the Lord's work and His ability, than anything Lee or Nee or the local churches...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 08-08-2018, 09:15 PM
Replies: 5
Views: 199
Posted By Evangelical
Re: Wives taking husband's last name

That's different. Not changing ones name after marriage is not adultery. Taking another man's name is.
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-08-2018, 04:32 PM
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Views: 6,312
Posted By Evangelical
Re: Outer Darkness?

time fixed severity variable.
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-08-2018, 03:09 PM
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Views: 6,312
Posted By Evangelical
Re: Outer Darkness?

I see that maybe relating to the quality of punishment not the quantity. The quantity is fixed, the quality varies depending. Luke 12:47-48 shows a different number of lashes.
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-08-2018, 03:07 PM
Replies: 320
Views: 6,312
Posted By Evangelical
Re: Outer Darkness?

It is based on logic which is both God's and man's and that God is fair and a God of order. It is not fair to reward faithful with 1000 years and unfaithful less than or more than 1000 years. Just as...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-08-2018, 02:24 AM
Replies: 320
Views: 6,312
Posted By Evangelical
Re: Outer Darkness?

1 Cor 15:52 and 1 Thess 4:16 indicate that all believers in Christ will rise when Christ returns. Which would contradict Rev 20:4-6 if understood to mean that only the overcomers are resurrected in...
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