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Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 07-08-2020, 08:54 PM
Replies: 458
Views: 56,311
Posted By Freedom
Re: Quote from today's Witness/Watchman Wednesday

It really is sick - the victim-blaming, the gas-lighting, etc. The longer I was in the LC, the more people I saw getting hurt by it. How hard would it be for them to simply distance themselves from...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 07-08-2020, 05:33 PM
Replies: 458
Views: 56,311
Posted By Freedom
Re: Quote from today's Witness/Watchman Wednesday

This is a good example of the dangerous types of things that WL taught. I imagine that when WL was up there giving all these messages, some heard these things and ran with it, others heard it and...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 07-01-2020, 04:50 PM
Replies: 458
Views: 56,311
Posted By Freedom
Re: Quote from today's Witness/Watchman Wednesday

Nee in particular had a big misconception regarding leadership. He equated leadership and authority. Of course, authority is a characteristic of leadership. But it's not even the first thing that...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 07-01-2020, 09:17 AM
Replies: 458
Views: 56,311
Posted By Freedom
Quote from today's Witness/Watchman Wednesday

When I saw this quote, what immediately came to mind is that many of those who are in leadership positions in the LC tend to mimic this type of behavior. I always wondered why so many of the...
Forum: Christian Movements/Ministries 06-25-2020, 04:25 PM
Replies: 89
Views: 21,905
Posted By Freedom
Re: Jacob Howard: O Lord Three Times - The False Gospel of Witness Lee

I don't know how things were in other localities, but where I was there was quite a lot of pressure for us to preach the gospel. They would always tell us though that we shouldn't waste time with...
Forum: Christian Movements/Ministries 06-25-2020, 11:38 AM
Replies: 89
Views: 21,905
Posted By Freedom
Re: Jacob Howard: O Lord Three Times - The False Gospel of Witness Lee

Quite frankly, I think that the LC has this kind of teaching because they want some sort of way to filter people out who won't follow directions.

The thing about the gospel is that it requires...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 06-16-2020, 04:47 PM
Replies: 91
Views: 8,351
Posted By Freedom
Re: Ron Kangas says Witness Lee is the greatest apostle since the apostle P

The whole thing is just so absurd. First of all it doesn't even make sense for Ron to be comparing any of those that he names with Nee or Lee. They were all alive at different points in history. If...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 06-05-2020, 12:12 PM
Replies: 116
Views: 75,075
Posted By Freedom
Re: Leaving the LRC has consequences....

When reading through these WL quotes, something caught my attention. It's almost as if WL admitted that leaving the "church life" was something that plenty of people in the LC have thought about. And...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 06-04-2020, 05:23 PM
Replies: 96
Views: 16,047
Posted By Freedom
Re: What a Lack of Increase Really Means for the LC

The LC has been trying to implement the same formula for decades now, and it's all been a big failure. They've blamed it on "evil books", the "turmoils", etc. In the 80's WL claimed that the "new...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 06-04-2020, 11:52 AM
Replies: 96
Views: 16,047
Posted By Freedom
Re: What a Lack of Increase Really Means for the LC

I wanted to add some more on this. When the LC was starting out, people joined for various reasons, but it is likely they could at least point to specific reasons for having joined the LC. Today on...
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 06-04-2020, 09:32 AM
Replies: 35
Views: 4,754
Posted By Freedom
Re: Cal Strikes Again! Satire At It's Finest!

I remember having a discussion with an LC elder about legalism in the LC. I think he was trying to suggest that things in the LC had "improved" over the years, and he mentioned that the locality he...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 06-03-2020, 06:15 PM
Replies: 96
Views: 16,047
Posted By Freedom
Re: What a Lack of Increase Really Means for the LC

Sometimes I wonder what the LC will look like 20-30 years from now. The older members existed in a time before things like the FTTA, campus work, etc. Whatever factors can be attributed to them...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 06-03-2020, 11:38 AM
Replies: 458
Views: 56,311
Posted By Freedom
Re: Quote from today's Witness/Watchman Wednesday

It doesn't say that, but it seems the implication in the statement is don't worry about environment as a factor in one's spiritual life. Maybe 90% of the time, the environment is just something that...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 06-03-2020, 09:40 AM
Replies: 458
Views: 56,311
Posted By Freedom
Re: Quote from today's Witness/Watchman Wednesday

This is the type of LC talk that I think does more harm than good. While it's true to say that there will never be a 'perfect' environment, it is a misconception to think that it is never necessary...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 05-29-2020, 04:32 PM
Replies: 96
Views: 16,047
Posted By Freedom
Re: What a Lack of Increase Really Means for the LC

Yes exactly. When you think about who the LC is really catering to, it's just mainly the ones who are really into what the LC has to offer. They get their "7 annual feasts", their ministry books,...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 05-29-2020, 01:20 PM
Replies: 96
Views: 16,047
Posted By Freedom
Re: What a Lack of Increase Really Means for the LC

When I look at the LC and where it’s headed, the outlook seems pretty dismal. One of the things that I think contributes to that is the fact that they have so many members that are just there because...
Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice 05-26-2020, 06:01 PM
Replies: 8
Views: 3,724
Posted By Freedom
Re: The main problem with the LC

Among all the Christian groups that have formed due to a perceived deficiency in the groups that they split off from, the LC is the only one I know of that is out there talking about how bad all the...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 05-22-2020, 10:15 AM
Replies: 76
Views: 13,478
Posted By Freedom
Re: Erroneous teaching of Lee concerning natural affection

Especially because I grew up in the LC, I really didn't know any better when it came to a lot of the legalism. I though that such things were necessary for spirituality. And I think that even when I...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 05-22-2020, 09:44 AM
Replies: 58
Views: 9,451
Posted By Freedom
Re: Responsibility of Christians Responding to Aberrant/Abusive Groups

In my case, I left over some things that had the potential for a simple resolution, but seeing the way that everything went down afterwards just showed me how toxic the whole thing was. I had two...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 05-21-2020, 06:03 PM
Replies: 76
Views: 13,478
Posted By Freedom
Re: Erroneous teaching of Lee concerning natural affection

Yeah, it reminds me of when I lived in a brothers house and one of the rules was no watching movies. I was really the only one that attempted to follow that rule. But then I gave up on it since no...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 05-21-2020, 09:59 AM
Replies: 76
Views: 13,478
Posted By Freedom
Re: Erroneous teaching of Lee concerning natural affection

I really didn't become aware that the LC had this type of teaching until I had started attending some of the conferences and trainings and heard it spoken from the podium. I remember when I attended...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 05-21-2020, 09:29 AM
Replies: 96
Views: 16,047
Posted By Freedom
Re: What a Lack of Increase Really Means for the LC

In the locality that I grew up in as well as some of the nearby localities, there were a lot of instances where people had many family members including extended family in the LC. Lunch in someone's...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 05-20-2020, 03:00 PM
Replies: 58
Views: 9,451
Posted By Freedom
Re: Responsibility of Christians Responding to Aberrant/Abusive Groups

In the LC, verses like Matt 7:5 are often misapplied and used as a means to obstruct people from standing up for themselves or speaking out. Instead they want to keep people running around in circles...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 05-20-2020, 01:02 PM
Replies: 96
Views: 16,047
Posted By Freedom
Re: What a Lack of Increase Really Means for the LC

I haven't, it sounds like something worth watching.
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 05-20-2020, 11:17 AM
Replies: 96
Views: 16,047
Posted By Freedom
Re: What a Lack of Increase Really Means for the LC

So many of the things that the LC thinks that they are "getting right" in comparison with other Christian groups is all just based on their own assumptions and what they imagine other to be doing...
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