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Forum: Apologetic discussions Today, 03:05 AM
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Posted By Evangelical
Re: Christ or faith the Savior?

You said:

What you do is use one verse and then proceed your own interpretation without having another verse to support that view.

This is a false claim because in my first post I posted 3...
Forum: Apologetic discussions Today, 12:16 AM
Replies: 39
Views: 317
Posted By Evangelical
Re: Christ or faith the Savior?

I don't see how you can claim that I am not doing exegesis and you are, given that so far you have quoted only two verses. One in Luke and one in Romans. My posts are full of verses, particularly my...
Forum: Apologetic discussions Yesterday, 11:17 PM
Replies: 52
Views: 507
Posted By Evangelical
Re: Latter Rain, Kingdom Now, & the Lord's Recovery

That is only one possible definition. The meaning is a more general one to take something illegally or without authority. It can be by force but doesn't have to be.

The Oxford dictionary ( a real...
Forum: Apologetic discussions Yesterday, 10:39 PM
Replies: 39
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Posted By Evangelical
Re: Christ or faith the Savior?

In your first paragraph you said "do proper exegesis rather than isolating a verse and making an entire argument from it " and then you proceeded to do the same with a single verse Luke 6:45 and then...
Forum: Apologetic discussions Yesterday, 09:37 PM
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Views: 507
Posted By Evangelical
Re: Latter Rain, Kingdom Now, & the Lord's Recovery

The meaning of the word usurp is not "take by force", and so the rest of your assertions are also wrong which are based on this wrong meaning about force.

I know you don't like external references...
Forum: Apologetic discussions Yesterday, 08:59 PM
Replies: 39
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Posted By Evangelical
Re: Christ or faith the Savior?

OK so a better verse relating to salvation is:

Romans 10:9 If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Two...
Forum: Apologetic discussions Yesterday, 08:12 PM
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Posted By Evangelical
Re: Latter Rain, Kingdom Now, & the Lord's Recovery

I believe that is correct. Satan usurped by deceiving man, rather than "God transferred ownership because man sinned". I am not sure other interpretations are possible.




Romans 16:20 says...
Forum: Apologetic discussions Yesterday, 07:48 PM
Replies: 39
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Posted By Evangelical
Re: Christ or faith the Savior?

To make it clearer for everyone, this thread is really about "full salvation" rather than " John 3:16-only salvation". So to "gain Christ" does not mean "gain the indwelling of the Spirit", I use...
Forum: Apologetic discussions Yesterday, 07:34 PM
Replies: 39
Views: 317
Posted By Evangelical
Re: Christ or faith the Savior?

If she did not touch his clothes, she would not have "gained Christ" for her healing. So belief and an action (or work) is necessary. If she merely believed that he could heal her, and never reached...
Forum: Apologetic discussions Yesterday, 04:38 PM
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Posted By Evangelical
Re: Christ or faith the Savior?

Scripture does not really refer to him as "the fraud" and considers him part of the 12, it doesn't really talk about the "11 + 1". They even replaced his position after Judas died.

He was a...
Forum: Apologetic discussions Yesterday, 04:24 PM
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Views: 317
Posted By Evangelical
Re: Christ or faith the Savior?

When you say "Jesus Christ doesn't come to you through works" I think you are putting conditions on how Christ comes to people. Usually some kind of work precedes the faith (such as praying, or...
Forum: Apologetic discussions Yesterday, 03:30 PM
Replies: 39
Views: 317
Posted By Evangelical
Re: Christ or faith the Savior?

Regarding your first paragraph, I am a relative late comer to the recovery with a long history in denominations, so I know something. I never had the chance to know Lee personally but I am acquainted...
Forum: Apologetic discussions Yesterday, 03:17 PM
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Views: 317
Posted By Evangelical
Re: Christ or faith the Savior?

That's right, Nee/Lee recovered mysticism which is to gain Christ. As opposed to the norm in Christianity at the time which was merely to know things about Christ or even to know Him at a personal...
Forum: Apologetic discussions Yesterday, 03:09 PM
Replies: 39
Views: 317
Posted By Evangelical
Re: Christ or faith the Savior?

Yes, I think you got the point of thread, or at least were able to see some light in it, and even make a very insightful observation - it is not enough to know Jesus, but to have Jesus.

And the...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 05-24-2018, 10:42 PM
Replies: 39
Views: 317
Posted By Evangelical
Christ or faith the Savior?

The early church's idea of salvation was firmly rooted in the person of Christ the Savior. They did not quibble over the meaning or role of faith and works, or question whether one's faith was "real...
Forum: Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes 05-24-2018, 04:43 PM
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Posted By Evangelical
Re: Witness Lee Sanitized - LSM's Life-Study Radio Broadcast Examined

Thats nonsense because Lee or the local churches have never been shy about telling Christianity its poor. Why would anyone sanitize radio broadcasts when its plainly written in the RCV footnotes. And...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 05-24-2018, 04:36 PM
Replies: 52
Views: 507
Posted By Evangelical
Re: Latter Rain, Kingdom Now, & the Lord's Recovery

Where did I compare Lee to Jesus? This person started a thread about Lees teachings and wont even consider references to Lees teachings from anyone except themselves. It seems they are absorbed in...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 05-24-2018, 04:32 PM
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Posted By Evangelical
Re: Politics and the Church

Thats not from liberals as such..thats from California aka Sodom. Not even communist countries are talking nonsense like that and that says a lot.
Forum: Apologetic discussions 05-24-2018, 02:34 PM
Replies: 52
Views: 507
Posted By Evangelical
Re: Latter Rain, Kingdom Now, & the Lord's Recovery

We cannot overcome by praying or reading Scripture? Wow..did Christ teach you this? Did Christ also tell you not to prepare for His return?

I gave you references that show Lee and Nee do not...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 05-24-2018, 12:07 AM
Replies: 52
Views: 507
Posted By Evangelical
Re: Latter Rain, Kingdom Now, & the Lord's Recovery

I know the difference between faith and works. You are preaching to the converted, not a Catholic. Both Nee and Lee taught that it is a mistake to think that salvation comes to us freely while...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 05-23-2018, 10:58 PM
Replies: 52
Views: 507
Posted By Evangelical
Re: Latter Rain, Kingdom Now, & the Lord's Recovery

So what exactly do you think Christians need to do to prepare for Christ's return?
Forum: Apologetic discussions 05-23-2018, 10:52 PM
Replies: 52
Views: 507
Posted By Evangelical
Re: Latter Rain, Kingdom Now, & the Lord's Recovery

That is nonsense because the local churches achieve this by "as the Lord leads". The finished work on the cross is for salvation and not for us to not do anything.

And on what authority do you...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 05-23-2018, 10:10 PM
Replies: 52
Views: 507
Posted By Evangelical
Re: Latter Rain, Kingdom Now, & the Lord's Recovery

Your broad sweeping generalization of Lee's theology under the broad spectrum of dominionism is not a straw man?





So we don't need to prepare for Christ's return?
Forum: Apologetic discussions 05-23-2018, 09:07 PM
Replies: 52
Views: 507
Posted By Evangelical
Re: Latter Rain, Kingdom Now, & the Lord's Recovery

I wrote "Educate yourself about". You are talking about "Educate yourself with".

If someone is going to be make claims about Lee's teachings, they should first educate themselves about what he...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 05-23-2018, 07:42 PM
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Views: 24,561
Posted By Evangelical
Re: Politics and the Church

In theory yes, but in practice parliamentary systems usually revert to a two or three major party system anyway. So no real advantage there. But the interests of the citizens would be better...
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