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Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 02-23-2018, 09:52 PM
Replies: 6
Views: 207
Posted By Freedom
Re: Local Church going strong in Taiwan/Asia?

I regularly attended the semi-annual trainings up until about 10 years ago. At the time, I couldn't help but notice how quick they were to shoot down any kind of pomp and circumstance. Virtually...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 02-23-2018, 10:40 AM
Replies: 6
Views: 207
Posted By Freedom
Re: Local Church going strong in Taiwan/Asia?

I am not familiar with the LCM in Taiwan/Asia, but from the various photos and videos that I have seen, it seems that the LCM has distinctive characteristics there that aren't present with the LCM in...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 02-18-2018, 06:55 PM
Replies: 54
Views: 875
Posted By Freedom
Re: Quotes and Quips

The above quote caught my attention, and got me thinking as to just how much WL's view of Bible interpretation differed from how most people would approach the Bible.

Anyone could allegorize a...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 02-08-2018, 12:48 PM
Replies: 54
Views: 875
Posted By Freedom
Re: Quotes and Quips

Eating is not done for the purpose of constitution. It is a matter of necessity. That is why we eat. WL seemed to have ignored that fact. In the LC, they will make declarations like "eating is the...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 02-07-2018, 01:49 PM
Replies: 54
Views: 875
Posted By Freedom
Re: Quotes and Quips

WL often spoke about eating Christ, and this topic was one of the major themes of his ministry. More and more, however, I can't help but notice how much he misrepresented the context of this subject....
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 02-04-2018, 12:07 PM
Replies: 11
Views: 398
Posted By Freedom
Re: Morning Revival

I went on Amazon, and did the "Look inside" option for the Kindle versions of the HWMR booklets, one with both of their names, and one with only Lee's name. Both versions had a statement in the...
Forum: Spiritual Abuse Titles 01-31-2018, 09:16 PM
Replies: 288
Views: 3,535
Posted By Freedom
Re: Whistleblower

What is perhaps the most disturbing of it all was the fact that Lee was in a position of power and trust, and he continually abused it. He disregarded concerns that were brought to his attention,...
Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice 01-31-2018, 08:57 PM
Replies: 31
Views: 850
Posted By Freedom
Re: 'Ground of the Church'

As someone who grew up in the LCM, it didn't take long for me to realize how committed LCers were to the ground of locality teaching. Before I even understood what the teaching entailed, I saw the...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 01-25-2018, 04:29 PM
Replies: 158
Views: 1,835
Posted By Freedom
Re: The local church, the Work and the New Testament Ministry

Others such as Otto Stockmayer, Jessie Penn-Lewis, Evan Roberts, and Madame Guyon have given similar testimonies. Because we have received the same commission as they, I have freely quoted their...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 01-24-2018, 01:35 PM
Replies: 629
Views: 7,261
Posted By Freedom
Re: The Vision of the Age, the Ministry of the Age, and the Minister of the

WL expressed that very concern, and I do believe he had reason to be concerned about being sued, since he made a number of slanderous statements about various brothers.

He was used to people...
Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice 01-24-2018, 11:21 AM
Replies: 31
Views: 850
Posted By Freedom
Re: 'Ground of the Church'

Admittedly, there have been all kinds of movements that have involved following a man. Probably in most cases, criticism of such groups is completely warranted. What made the LCM different, and what...
Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice 01-23-2018, 08:16 PM
Replies: 31
Views: 850
Posted By Freedom
Re: 'Ground of the Church'

This is very true. WL attacked and condemned a lot of things, but hardly anyone in the LCM ever dared to criticize him. In fact, I donít think it even crossed most peopleís minds that WL had any...
Forum: Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes 01-18-2018, 07:57 PM
Replies: 120
Views: 27,416
Posted By Freedom
Re: Signs of Decline in LSMs Recovery - Tomes

The LC view of authority is based on some kind of notion that for a leader to make a compromise or admission of any sorts would undermine his authority. LC elders and leadership thus adopt a ďtake it...
Forum: Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes 01-17-2018, 10:56 AM
Replies: 120
Views: 27,416
Posted By Freedom
Re: Signs of Decline in LSMs Recovery - Tomes

In the back of my mind, I could always tell that there was something not quite right about how LCers interacted with each other with respect to conflicts and conflict resolution. In fact, most of the...
Forum: Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes 01-16-2018, 08:03 PM
Replies: 120
Views: 27,416
Posted By Freedom
Re: Signs of Decline in LSMs Recovery - Tomes

Spiritual abuse runs rampant in the LC, and itís largely because those in the LC assume that the leaders have only the best intentions. LCers thus become willing to let things go that they really...
Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice 01-11-2018, 10:53 PM
Replies: 31
Views: 850
Posted By Freedom
Re: 'Ground of the Church'

I was unaware that there are actually instances of multiple LSM-affiliated LC's meeting in the same city. The sheer hypocrisy of it is shocking, but then again it makes sense. Affiliate oneself with...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 01-10-2018, 07:53 PM
Replies: 54
Views: 875
Posted By Freedom
Re: Quotes and Quips

This quote of Nee also caught my attention. Nee makes two faulty assumptions: 1) Christians only pray simplistic or 'tiny' prayers and 2) There is something wrong with praying for the more trivial...
Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice 01-10-2018, 07:09 PM
Replies: 31
Views: 850
Posted By Freedom
Re: 'Ground of the Church'

This is exactly the kind of question that serves to show how ridiculous the ground of locality teaching really is. I remember hearing that there are three "church in Toronto" groups each asserting...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 01-10-2018, 07:03 PM
Replies: 45
Views: 5,164
Posted By Freedom
Re: Two Year Training Testimonies

It is inexplicable because it does not have anything to do with a career path, and any potential employer that is smart isn't going to bring up the subject of religion or religious activities.


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Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 01-09-2018, 04:11 PM
Replies: 45
Views: 5,164
Posted By Freedom
Re: Two Year Training Testimonies

Having a "Bible qualification" does not automatically translate into real world job skills. Most people realize this. That is why outside the LCM, people do not attend a seminary or Bible school just...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 01-09-2018, 03:31 PM
Replies: 10
Views: 286
Posted By Freedom
Re: Lists of unbiblical teachings and practices in the LC

These are excellent points that aron made and they point to a more subtle aspect of WL's teachings. What WL taught encouraged pride. It encouraged hypocrisy. It encouraged the development of...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 01-09-2018, 02:17 PM
Replies: 45
Views: 5,164
Posted By Freedom
Re: Two Year Training Testimonies

Sadly enough, what I also observed is that those who were the most enthusiastic about attending the training were usually the ones who fared the worst. The reason being is that either the training...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 01-08-2018, 08:50 PM
Replies: 45
Views: 5,164
Posted By Freedom
Re: Two Year Training Testimonies

I'm sure some have fared better than others. I can think of some I knew who did just fine afterwards without becoming a full timer. Some of the "church kids" I know that attended knew better than to...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 01-08-2018, 08:07 PM
Replies: 45
Views: 5,164
Posted By Freedom
Re: Two Year Training Testimonies

Attending the FTT requires an extraordinary level of commitment, particularly having to set aside two full years of one's life. Iíve known quite a few who have attended, and I always thought it was a...
Forum: If you really Nee to know 01-08-2018, 01:39 PM
Replies: 19
Views: 803
Posted By Freedom
Re: Claim of Watchman Nee Leadership Practice in China?

Sectarianism is the fruit (practice) that originated from what the Brethren taught. Nee himself even became a victim of it. It seems, however, that he never made the correlation between their...
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