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Forum: Blogosphere @ LocalChurchDiscussions 04-16-2024, 08:39 AM
Replies: 88
Views: 88,685
Posted By OBW
Re: OBW's Blog

I decided that yet another unwanted post in the thread on prophecy and the end times would just be placed here.

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I guess my actual question is not clear enough. Let me restate it.

Do...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 04-14-2024, 08:31 PM
Replies: 388
Views: 14,504
Posted By OBW
Re: Prophecy - The End Times

I happened to read some of the beginnings of this thread and they were quite interesting. According to the first post, Israel was prophecied (by the Arab world) to be blotted from the earth (my...
Forum: Early Lee - Later Lee 03-17-2024, 11:14 AM
Replies: 17
Views: 4,746
Posted By OBW
Re: Pledge of Allegiance to Witness Lee

These snippets jumped out at me. I don't think I need to say much about them.But this last one is quite the definition of misaiming. If it is of God, we are not responsible for it. We are called to...
Forum: Spiritual Abuse Titles 03-03-2024, 09:49 PM
Replies: 1,378
Views: 1,006,369
Posted By OBW
Re: The LCS Factor

P.S.

Nee, Lee, and the LC leadership would disagree because their first MOTA, Nee, declared that only God can lay any charge against a so-called deputy authority. And all of the leadership is some...
Forum: Spiritual Abuse Titles 03-03-2024, 09:42 PM
Replies: 8
Views: 507
Posted By OBW
Re: “God Is Fear”? 10 Signs That Your Church is Becoming A Cult

And some families are worth worrying about.
Forum: Regarding The Co-Workers in The Lord's Recovery 02-27-2024, 11:14 AM
Replies: 119
Views: 12,249
Posted By OBW
Re: Open - Interactive Letter to The Co-Workers in The Lord's Recovery

Alas, because of my sporadic appearances here over the last few years, I see that just reading a few more posts into this thread was full of the same questions I had.
Forum: Regarding The Co-Workers in The Lord's Recovery 02-27-2024, 11:11 AM
Replies: 119
Views: 12,249
Posted By OBW
Re: Open - Interactive Letter to The Co-Workers in The Lord's Recovery

I like where this thread is going. Let them hang themselves with their own rope.

But this talk about Lee not saying he was an apostle has always been a muddy thing for me. I started in the LC...
Forum: Spiritual Abuse Titles 02-27-2024, 10:56 AM
Replies: 8
Views: 507
Posted By OBW
Re: “God Is Fear”? 10 Signs That Your Church is Becoming A Cult

Tough topic. I say this because it typically turns into Jim Jones = cult and everything else is not. That is a false dichotomy.

Jim Jones (suicide cults) are an extreme subset of cults. At the...
Forum: Spiritual Abuse Titles 02-27-2024, 10:39 AM
Replies: 1,378
Views: 1,006,369
Posted By OBW
Re: The LCS Factor

There are a lot of things in Nee's books that are provided as prescriptions for how things should (even must) be done. But the support for them is, at best, anecdotal and therefore hardly worthy of a...
Forum: Ex Church Kids (of Local Church) 02-27-2024, 10:19 AM
Replies: 3
Views: 273
Posted By OBW
Re: What would Jesus SAY at a Semi-Annual training?

Maybe something like "Come out of her/here, my people!!"
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 02-27-2024, 10:16 AM
Replies: 85
Views: 2,917
Posted By OBW
Re: “THE FALSE TRUMPET STILL SOUNDS” - by a former member.

Not only was he only 26 years old, but he had only been a Christian for about 8 years. There is little mention of how he attained any real training in the Bible and theology, and what is there does...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 12-05-2023, 02:10 PM
Replies: 7
Views: 289
Posted By OBW
Re: The Roman Road

Difficult topic to do much with. The fact of some who leave the faith in some way or another is hardly unique to the LC. It even happens among those whose salvation was predicated upon a typical...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 12-05-2023, 01:27 PM
Replies: 7
Views: 289
Posted By OBW
Re: The Roman Road vs. Lee's "road"

If true, this is quite a surprising statement. (I am not challenging its veracity.)

If only we could understand what it was that caused this declaration. Words used? Observation of the lives of...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 12-05-2023, 01:14 PM
Replies: 619
Views: 310,974
Posted By OBW
Re: The Asian mind and the Western mind

Actually, either position presumes that "one locality-one church" is actually a doctrine supported by scripture. As I can find no real support for it, it seems to not be available to categorize into...
Forum: Regarding The Co-Workers in The Lord's Recovery 12-03-2023, 08:02 AM
Replies: 10
Views: 650
Posted By OBW
Re: I didn’t know that dead man write books!

I was briefly part of the proofreaders in Irving (part of what Nell mentioned). I did my proofing on one chapter of (I have no idea what book it ultimately was) and was found wanting. It seems that I...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 09-22-2023, 09:03 AM
Replies: 116
Views: 75,074
Posted By OBW
Re: Leaving the LRC has consequences....

Maybe it is simply proof that "touching" the "Lord's recovery" has unintended consequences for those who do not stick around. They might get out, but they are still dazed and confused by what they...
Forum: Early Lee - Later Lee 09-22-2023, 06:35 AM
Replies: 256
Views: 200,091
Posted By OBW
Re: Good Lee/Bad Lee: Can they be separated?

I would suggest that even when looking at Toronto and the others, to some extent Lee was right. The "recovery" as he defined it somewhat collapsed in those places. Why? Because they were no longer...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 07-13-2023, 08:32 PM
Replies: 388
Views: 14,504
Posted By OBW
Re: Prophecy - The End Times

Question: Has there not been apostasy since the very writings that now comprise the NT?

I am not dismissing anything current, but didn't the theologians of prior centuries also see evidence that...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 07-13-2023, 08:05 PM
Replies: 57
Views: 23,492
Posted By OBW
Re: aron's testimony

To further underscore UH's statements, Nee is highly revered within many that I would refer to as second-tier leaders. While he may not be referenced much within schools of theology (I really don't...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 07-11-2023, 09:35 PM
Replies: 57
Views: 23,492
Posted By OBW
Re: aron's testimony

But there is nothing in it for UntoHim other than helping you to find some answers about the issues mentioned. It is not a simple three-sentence thing, but a long story with many side stories that...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 07-11-2023, 09:24 PM
Replies: 388
Views: 14,504
Posted By OBW
Re: Prophecy - The End Times

It would seem that the source Nell is looking at is suggesting that belief and being born again are two different things.

And another related question might be: "Is belief merely a step on the way...
Forum: Writings and Concerns of Steve Isitt 07-08-2023, 05:50 AM
Replies: 13
Views: 864
Posted By OBW
Re: Ron and Kerry Book of Defamation

I note that the preface of the book states that the authors do not live in Anaheim, but that since the book has been published and distributed beyond Anaheim, they consider it a "Body matter" that...
Forum: Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes 07-06-2023, 10:32 AM
Replies: 4
Views: 229
Posted By OBW
Re: The Phoenix Accord, An Historic Document- Presentation & Commentary

Very succinctly stated.

BTW, the line under your moniker and your signature are pretty much Greek to me.
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 07-06-2023, 10:26 AM
Replies: 171
Views: 29,192
Posted By OBW
Re: Quotes and Quips

I haven't seen enough of Zesima's posts to have an opinion on the subject, so I'll take your word for it.

I remember years ago when I made a comment about something on the other forum (before this...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 07-06-2023, 10:19 AM
Replies: 388
Views: 14,504
Posted By OBW
Re: Prophecy - The End Times

I hear you.

There is no true sense of urgency. And some of the urgency that is there is a substitute for the real thing. And even where there is a claim of belief but no outward urgency, the...
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