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Forum: Spiritual Abuse Titles 03-18-2020, 01:38 PM
Replies: 16
Views: 1,132
Posted By aron
Re: Spiritual Warfare

We can't overstress this. WL said that "the gates of Hades shall not prevail" indicated that Satan would attack the [builded] church. In actuality the gates are defensive. They're to hold in the...
Forum: Spiritual Abuse Titles 03-18-2020, 03:17 AM
Replies: 16
Views: 1,132
Posted By aron
Re: Spiritual Warfare

Amen. God is good, and wise, and powerful, and merciful. Everything is ordered by His hand. We praise Him. Our bad experiences are our biggest opportunity. Praise God. Amen.
Forum: Spiritual Abuse Titles 03-17-2020, 03:27 AM
Replies: 16
Views: 1,132
Posted By aron
Re: Spiritual Warfare

There's a demonic element, or aspect, that occasionally becomes plain, like Minoru's statement. In 1997 I heard that the "age of spiritual giants is over" and a new era in Christian history had...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 03-14-2020, 11:44 PM
Replies: 24
Views: 1,666
Posted By aron
Re: I Am A Part Of The Local Church

The 'recovery' or 'restoration' or even -gasp- 'reformation' are all arguably misnomers. The 'fall' or 'degradation' occurred in the early chapters of Genesis (I see a series of 'falls' including Gen...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 03-13-2020, 02:38 AM
Replies: 7
Views: 429
Posted By aron
Re: The Old Way vs. the New Way

Box,

I completely agree, especially stressing the words "potential" vs "merchandise" and "business". Eventually, moving LSM product became the analog, or stand-in, for reality. It could have been...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 03-11-2020, 03:09 AM
Replies: 4
Views: 382
Posted By aron
Re: where I am...

Hi Oldtimer,

Welcome to the forum. Watchman Nee certainly was both popular and influential in the Jesus movement circa 1965-1975. He was subjective, and people "felt" his words as much as received...
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 03-10-2020, 06:15 AM
Replies: 58
Views: 1,677
Posted By aron
Re: Minoru Chen is filled with Witness Lee's spirit?

The short answer is, "Yes".

The longer answer is, every culture has its own norms and ways, many tacit and unspoken, even subconscious and unnoticed by its constituents. The Chinese tilts to the...
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 03-10-2020, 02:48 AM
Replies: 58
Views: 1,677
Posted By aron
Re: Minoru Chen is filled with Witness Lee's spirit?

Yes, displaced shame is the currency of the realm. Newbies are seduced by its perceived benefits - "Nobody is enjoying God the way we do! We're on the proper ground! Etc!" - but eventually the screws...
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 03-09-2020, 01:59 PM
Replies: 58
Views: 1,677
Posted By aron
Re: Minoru Chen is filled with Witness Lee's spirit?

It is a culturally-sourced web of mutual obligations. WL 'owed' his progeny to feast at the LC trough. RK and MC 'owed' WL fealty, praise, dedication. And the LC saints 'owed' MC a cab ride to the...
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 03-09-2020, 12:42 PM
Replies: 58
Views: 1,677
Posted By aron
Re: Minoru Chen is filled with Witness Lee's spirit?

I knew I was gonna get myself in trouble, I just knew it...

Witness Lee led the charge to extol WN as the "Seer of the Divine Revelation". In this, WL was punching his own meal ticket. And, this...
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 03-08-2020, 03:54 PM
Replies: 58
Views: 1,677
Posted By aron
Re: Minoru Chen is filled with Witness Lee's spirit?

It certainly looks like necromancy, but the real answer is probably a little more prosaic. MC is building his own guanxi network within WL's network. That's how the system works. Elevate the Big...
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 03-08-2020, 06:55 AM
Replies: 58
Views: 1,677
Posted By aron
Re: Minoru Chen is filled with Witness Lee's spirit?

I personally think that there are times to stay anonymous, when the imbalance of power indicates its prudence. I think of the anonymous "Heavenly voice of the truth guard" who wrote the pamphlet in...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 03-07-2020, 05:41 PM
Replies: 13
Views: 641
Posted By aron
Re: Factual or not?

This is what I noticed - a ministry that says women should be silent in church, then sells a book authored by one, as a revelation of the three parts of man. Yet nobody says a word. A ministry that...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 03-07-2020, 04:26 AM
Replies: 13
Views: 641
Posted By aron
Re: Factual or not?

Here's another example of the named, independently-sourced, corroborated personal testimonies that populate this forum. One merely has to make some small effort to dig though the commentaries (much...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 03-07-2020, 02:41 AM
Replies: 13
Views: 641
Posted By aron
Re: Factual or not?

This is from another thread. The poster collects a number of independent witnesses, each slightly different, not identical, but which together create "a clear delineation of the scene". If you think...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 03-07-2020, 02:06 AM
Replies: 13
Views: 641
Posted By aron
Re: Factual or not?

I apologize if you got roasted, as I was set off by your mother's comments about getting "the perspective of LSM" to somehow balance or correct the falsities being spread on the internet. This is...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 03-03-2020, 10:41 AM
Replies: 9
Views: 474
Posted By aron
Re: "The Ministry of the age."

We all are sorting things out, don't worry if you don't always make the best sense, either to yourself or others. Just be polite and friendly (as much as we can on a public forum) and your...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 03-01-2020, 03:52 PM
Replies: 13
Views: 641
Posted By aron
Re: Factual or not?

How do you know George Washington ever existed? Did you meet him? Or meet anyone that met him? No? Okay, then, maybe George was just "fake history", right? Did George & Co really cross the Delaware...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 02-22-2020, 06:05 AM
Replies: 562
Views: 195,313
Posted By aron
Re: The Asian Mind/The Western Mind

Shinchonji Church with Chairman Lee Man-Hee

I noted a Korean church that got public attention in the recent Wuhan coronavirus outbreak.
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Forum: Writings and Concerns of Steve Isitt 02-19-2020, 12:10 PM
Replies: 23
Views: 1,257
Posted By aron
Re: In the Wake of the New Way

I don't think others can fault you for not trying to be true to the vision that God gave you. The problems that followed weren't for a lack of trying. (The DCP said that Jo Casteel didn't follow...
Forum: Writings and Concerns of Steve Isitt 02-19-2020, 12:04 PM
Replies: 23
Views: 1,257
Posted By aron
Re: In the Wake of the New Way

The Blendeds knew better - just nod and say, "Amen" but don't do anything. As current Blended RG once said, "You have to read between the lines". Steve's error was to naively take the speaking at...
Forum: Writings and Concerns of Steve Isitt 02-19-2020, 11:50 AM
Replies: 23
Views: 1,257
Posted By aron
Re: In the Wake of the New Way

Given that TC was only part of the Great LC Schism of 2007, I think there's more than this. The other rebel party, that of DYL, played no such niceties as TC. There it was, "Here's what we're going...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 02-19-2020, 06:39 AM
Replies: 28
Views: 992
Posted By aron
Re: The Chief End of Man: Glorifying & Enjoying God

Negative - someone brought up a good point:



This is the kind of 'practical expression of grace' that I alluded to in my previous post (#6). Paul said that "the grace of God superabounded in me...
Forum: Writings and Concerns of Steve Isitt 02-19-2020, 03:12 AM
Replies: 23
Views: 1,257
Posted By aron
Re: In the Wake of the New Way

I believe that Steve was in a meeting where WL said, "We have to find out what happened to those who left; to reconcile with them." This goes against the "guanxi network" ethos of "once out, ever...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 02-18-2020, 11:14 AM
Replies: 28
Views: 992
Posted By aron
Re: The Chief End of Man: Glorifying & Enjoying God

Grace like is an unemployed person getting a job. You still have to work, but are so happy with the opportunity to work, which was given, like a fry cook at Arby's making $100/hr. Look at our...
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