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Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 12-14-2019, 04:09 PM
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Posted By OBW
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

aron,

This is a tricky way to discuss how we deal with Lee, Nee and the Blendeds here. Just because there may be a "beam v speck" problem does not mean we cannot take this on.

And I know you...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 12-14-2019, 03:59 PM
Replies: 84
Views: 3,656
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Re: "Church" is not in the Bible!

StoG,

I was not reading every post. I was reading the last few and responding to what I read as I saw it. I really do not care what name is associated with it, but use the "quote" function so that...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 12-14-2019, 12:41 PM
Replies: 28
Views: 708
Posted By OBW
Re: Life Study of Revelation Misses Mark RE: "First Love"

Never thought of it that way, but it does make Lee seem really foolish (or it makes God/John really foolish). And for me, I will go with the former, not the latter.

If only "Philadelphia" has the...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 12-14-2019, 12:32 PM
Replies: 84
Views: 3,656
Posted By OBW
Re: "Church" is not in the Bible!

Do you really think that what someone says about the building is relevant to the nature of the assembly that uses it? It seems that the distraction is when Christians get bent out of shape concerning...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 12-13-2019, 09:00 PM
Replies: 84
Views: 3,656
Posted By OBW
Re: "Church" is not in the Bible!

So what did "church" mean back in the days of the Right Honorable King James? I see in the initial post that it was from German and meant something like "the lord's house." I understand the angst...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 12-13-2019, 08:34 PM
Replies: 28
Views: 708
Posted By OBW
Re: Life Study of Revelation Misses Mark RE: "First Love"

I note that the origins of the Moravian Brethren actually dates to roughly 70 years before Martin Luther nailed his 96 these to the door, therefore predates the Protestantism attributed to Sardis in...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 12-13-2019, 11:13 AM
Replies: 77
Views: 3,246
Posted By OBW
Re: Does the Bible say we are Sinners?

I know this was a response to UntoHim.

The point I was making was that we should not 1) trivialize our reality by saying "I'm just a sinner, saved by grace," 2) ignore it by saying "I am deemed...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 12-13-2019, 08:22 AM
Replies: 77
Views: 3,246
Posted By OBW
Re: Does the Bible say we are Sinners?

I am not suggesting that we flog ourselves, but that we not delude ourselves into thinking that we can no longer sin. That is the problem with only looking at the "done" part of the equation.

I do...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 12-13-2019, 08:11 AM
Replies: 28
Views: 708
Posted By OBW
Re: Life Study of Revelation Misses Mark RE: "First Love"

I would never say that certain of the churches do not better represent the collective situation at certain times. But it is not so complete a comparison to declare that the first three take us up...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 12-13-2019, 07:37 AM
Replies: 9
Views: 301
Posted By OBW
Re: Partial Rapture And Dispensational Punishment

There is faith/belief in Christ, and there is belief in propositions.

I realize that simply saying you believe in Christ doesn't mean much if what you think of as Christ is a relic or a statue ...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 12-13-2019, 07:15 AM
Replies: 77
Views: 3,246
Posted By OBW
Re: Does the Bible say we are Sinners?

Our sins are forgiven. But does that refer only to those committed, or also to those yet to be committed?

We no longer require the blood of bulls goats, etc., for our sin. But do we rightly read...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 12-12-2019, 04:07 PM
Replies: 28
Views: 708
Posted By OBW
Re: Life Study of Revelation Misses Mark RE: "First Love"

What about the idea that the Lee/LSM/LC view of the Revelation "letters" has an overriding error that there is no statement defining Philadelphia as "getting it right" and no exhortation to leave...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 12-12-2019, 11:37 AM
Replies: 77
Views: 3,246
Posted By OBW
Re: Does the Bible say we are Sinners?

Ex-Sinners?

It might be sort of true. But it is unlikely that it is ever fully true.

It seems like the more certain we are that we have conquered some problem, whether some small sinful...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 12-12-2019, 06:08 AM
Replies: 9
Views: 301
Posted By OBW
Re: Partial Rapture And Dispensational Punishment

Many years ago, I went with a few to visit the church in OKC. I can't remember if there was a conference or just some going to visit. But I remember on the drive back, some were talking about the...
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 12-11-2019, 01:28 PM
Replies: 21
Views: 791
Posted By OBW
Re: Why isnt anybody besides Cal, Jo, and Andria speaking out about the Chu

Reminds me of the joke about the good Calvinist who fell and broke their leg. "I'm glad that's over with now."

Presumes that all of life is predestined. That would mean that "whosoever will" is a...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 12-11-2019, 11:37 AM
Replies: 20
Views: 406
Posted By OBW
Re: A System of Error?

Even "anyone" can have a context. Paul has spent from early chapter 1 though this point and on into the beginning of chapter 4 talking about the leaders that the Corinthians are arguing about. Just...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 12-11-2019, 11:25 AM
Replies: 20
Views: 406
Posted By OBW
Re: A System of Error?

One more thing to consider. There has been some study of people who came to understand certain verses in certain ways because all they had was the one verse (or even just part of it). They have made...
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 12-11-2019, 11:08 AM
Replies: 21
Views: 791
Posted By OBW
Re: Why isnt anybody besides Cal, Jo, and Andria speaking out about the Chu

And I did not disagree. Read it again. Use your grammar and dictionary.

The "cause" is not simply to "all things," but to "all things working together." It does not say that God causes all things,...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 12-11-2019, 10:57 AM
Replies: 20
Views: 406
Posted By OBW
Re: A System of Error?

Let me add to my last post. For many years after I left the LC (back in 87), I still considered some of the questionable teachings as sound. Only after starting to reanalyze it in 2005 or so did some...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 12-11-2019, 10:44 AM
Replies: 20
Views: 406
Posted By OBW
Re: A System of Error?

The "S/spirit of life" is a term, not necessarily a name. Unlike the word for Christ, pneuma is not actually capitalized. That does not foreclose the possibility. But it leaves uncertainty. Why...
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 12-11-2019, 10:19 AM
Replies: 21
Views: 791
Posted By OBW
Re: Why isnt anybody besides Cal, Jo, and Andria speaking out about the Chu

While I might not disagree that those who came into the LC could have been led by Christ, I am not convinced that it is simply true. And I do not subscribe to the determinist/Calvinist view that...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 12-11-2019, 10:07 AM
Replies: 9
Views: 301
Posted By OBW
Re: Partial Rapture And Dispensational Punishment

I will admit that the particular parables do suggest that there is more to the Christian life and the life hereafter than believing and getting a ticket to heaven (no matter how you want to...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 12-11-2019, 09:49 AM
Replies: 20
Views: 406
Posted By OBW
Re: A System of Error?

A little more . . . .

While we generally understand roles for the Three of the Trinity, there is nothing that definitively makes those roles (in part or in the whole) the sole purview of any one...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 12-11-2019, 09:30 AM
Replies: 20
Views: 406
Posted By OBW
Re: A System of Error?

Gospelicious

In your discussion concerning 2 Cor 3:17, you refer to the "can of worms" that the capitalization, or lack thereof, would create. But this is the crux of the matter. Greek is not...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 12-10-2019, 10:13 PM
Replies: 5
Views: 249
Posted By OBW
Re: Abraham's Seed (& The Law was like a Booster Rocket)

Worse than that, the word we translate to "sin" really does not infer a slight missing of an arrow otherwise aimed at the bullseye of a target. It means to be really off. In serious error. But...
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