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Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 04-01-2020, 08:08 AM
Replies: 277
Views: 20,587
Posted By Freedom
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

Yes, this is true. It's an easy opportunity to take a favorable stance on a issue.



The LC has such a hold on their member's time that this situation is definitely a threat to them. I think it...
Forum: Writings and Concerns of Steve Isitt 03-31-2020, 10:56 AM
Replies: 30
Views: 1,273
Posted By Freedom
Re: Phoenix - Ron is really trying to excuse himself condemning Jo, me, oth

This is a good point. I've heard some of the different things things that Ron has said and it seems that he will frequently make statements to imply that he is just going to let God deal with the...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 03-31-2020, 10:37 AM
Replies: 277
Views: 20,587
Posted By Freedom
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

Well it looks like shepherdingwords.com is switching gears a little bit:
https://shepherdingwords.com/pdf/Letter%20from%20the%20co-workers%2003-26-2020%20-%20English.pdf...
Forum: Writings and Concerns of Steve Isitt 03-30-2020, 12:37 PM
Replies: 30
Views: 1,273
Posted By Freedom
Re: Phoenix - Ron is really trying to excuse himself condemning Jo, me, oth

Ron may not realize it, but it can be guaranteed that there are current LC members who see these types of situations occur and think to themselves "this situation could have been handled better."...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 03-11-2020, 06:31 PM
Replies: 20
Views: 1,904
Posted By Freedom
Re: I left the Local Church After Reading the Real Church History

That is a very good point. I can't even count how many times I heard people in the LC say things like that. I didn't always realize it, but by the time there is that kind of talk happening, the...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 03-11-2020, 04:34 PM
Replies: 107
Views: 12,896
Posted By Freedom
Re: Quotes and Quips

That's the thing though, I think it's more a question of whether or not they are afraid to express disagreement with something. Did they really believe that Philip Lee was #5, or were they too afraid...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 03-11-2020, 01:03 PM
Replies: 107
Views: 12,896
Posted By Freedom
Re: Quotes and Quips

Whenever I see statements like this one Lee made, I have to ask whether the intention was to convey some Biblical truth or to deliver something for shock value. All too often it was the latter.
Forum: Writings and Concerns of Steve Isitt 03-11-2020, 11:43 AM
Replies: 30
Views: 1,273
Posted By Freedom
Re: The Universal Government of God - Ron Kangas

The LC gets a lot of things wrong with their concept of what God's government is. When it is convenient for them to do so, they will claim that a person/situation is out of their control and it God...
Forum: Writings and Concerns of Steve Isitt 03-10-2020, 07:39 PM
Replies: 30
Views: 1,273
Posted By Freedom
Re: The Universal Government of God - Ron Kangas

Given the way that Ron speaks, it seems that he thinks that he himself is God's government. Early on in the recording, Ron says "I'm not aiming my words at anyone." Then at the end, he mentions what...
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 03-10-2020, 06:31 PM
Replies: 58
Views: 1,736
Posted By Freedom
Re: Minoru Chen is filled with Witness Lee's spirit?

Probably around 2005, I attended a week-long college training and Minoru was one of the speakers. I remember him asking someone to stand up and read something. That person messed up a few words and...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 03-10-2020, 06:20 PM
Replies: 20
Views: 1,904
Posted By Freedom
Re: I left the Local Church After Reading the Real Church History

The thing that was always so striking to me was that there were clear cases of disillusionment that I saw among long time members. Most of the time these members would try to find ways to rationalize...
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 03-04-2020, 04:07 PM
Replies: 58
Views: 1,736
Posted By Freedom
Re: Minoru Chen is filled with Witness Lee's spirit?

This kind of stuff is why the cult label still sticks. It seems like they feel that they have the right to do whatever they want without being called a cult. Maybe that sense of entitlement is the...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 03-02-2020, 04:47 PM
Replies: 9
Views: 503
Posted By Freedom
Re: "The Ministry of the age."

Here is the way I look at it. They make certain claims about what WL taught or the importance of his ministry. It might be difficult to really address the issue with them as to how important they...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 03-01-2020, 08:11 AM
Replies: 8
Views: 430
Posted By Freedom
Re: Idealism

Yes, definitely. In regards to what people see or still need to see regarding Christ or the church, I think it would be fair to classify it as something that happens at more of an individual level....
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 02-29-2020, 09:11 AM
Replies: 8
Views: 430
Posted By Freedom
Re: Idealism

When the LC talks about needing to have a vision, it is necessary to deconstruct what is really being said. Ask any LCer what the so-called vision is, and they might say "Christ and the Church" or...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 02-28-2020, 10:57 AM
Replies: 8
Views: 430
Posted By Freedom
Re: Idealism

This is the thing that WL never admitted. There already is a universal ideal, and I think that most Christian groups would be pursuing it to one degree or another. What WL didn't like about that is...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 02-28-2020, 08:30 AM
Replies: 277
Views: 20,587
Posted By Freedom
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

Under normal circumstances, no one in their right mind would willingly submit to a group of unnamed leaders. People in the LC probably have a general idea as to who the top leaders are, but even...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 02-27-2020, 08:08 PM
Replies: 277
Views: 20,587
Posted By Freedom
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

I remember reading some of the writings that emerged during the Midwest quarantine. The LSM officials published some writings and only identified themselves as the "blended coworkers." It was...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 02-27-2020, 08:01 PM
Replies: 562
Views: 196,561
Posted By Freedom
Re: The Asian Mind/The Western Mind

If culture is taken out of the equation, the commonality between these groups is that they all make an absurd claim, and somehow that claim gets a free pass. Add culture back into the equation and it...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 02-27-2020, 07:16 PM
Replies: 8
Views: 430
Posted By Freedom
Re: Idealism

Regarding ideals, I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with them. In fact, I would say that there has to be some amount of idealism in order for Christianity to progress, otherwise it...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 02-27-2020, 04:58 PM
Replies: 8
Views: 430
Posted By Freedom
Idealism

After my last post on the Shepherding Words thread, I thought that I would start a separate thread on this topic, because I believe that idealism is a fundamental flaw within the LCM as a whole. As I...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 02-27-2020, 08:27 AM
Replies: 277
Views: 20,587
Posted By Freedom
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

One of the new articles is titled Being Overcomers with a Vision, Not Idealists with a Dream. In that article, there is an excerpt from a message that Ron gave. He states: "Related to the church,...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 02-26-2020, 07:53 PM
Replies: 277
Views: 20,587
Posted By Freedom
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

They would never admit that they read these forums, but they make it pretty obvious that they do. Sometimes when I post here, I like to think of them the primary audience reading these posts since...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 02-24-2020, 08:35 PM
Replies: 20
Views: 1,904
Posted By Freedom
Re: I left the Local Church After Reading the Real Church History

I think that more and more, the LC is finding itself at a juncture where they have to decide between trying to do things the way that they've always done, or address the issues that they are facing....
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 02-24-2020, 08:20 PM
Replies: 20
Views: 971
Posted By Freedom
Re: There Are No Overcomers Outside of the Local Church, What a Stupid Clai

When they make these kinds of claims, the burden of proof lies with the one making the claim. They get away with it because people in the LC are scared to question anything.

Part of the danger...
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