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Forum: Apologetic discussions 03-23-2018, 12:24 PM
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Posted By Igzy
Re: Apostles in The Church: Yesterday and Today

Well, yes and no. Yes, God can cause all things to work for good. But God doesn't send the evil. He places us in a world where we are challenged by negative things, but he doesn't create the...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 03-23-2018, 07:30 AM
Replies: 239
Views: 3,518
Posted By Igzy
Re: Apostles in The Church: Yesterday and Today

I was duped because I thought the intense spiritual experiences I had in the LC supported their claims of being "God's best," and that you "could not leave the church."

I've since learned when...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 03-22-2018, 09:18 AM
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Views: 1,360
Posted By Igzy
Re: I Left the Church 3 Years ago after Fighting with Depression

Amen to that. Praying while doing is never a bad thing, assuming you don't close your eyes while driving or something like that.
Forum: Apologetic discussions 03-22-2018, 07:53 AM
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Views: 3,518
Posted By Igzy
Re: Apostles in The Church: Yesterday and Today

Great point.



That's definitely a start. But I cannot fully persuade him because the biblical record is not definite. It's open to interpretation. That is why I say we have to see how the...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 03-22-2018, 07:36 AM
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Posted By Igzy
Re: Apostles in The Church: Yesterday and Today

So yes, Z, in the end we all must decide what to believe and take control of our lives. It's a sad person who spends the rest of his life blaming something in his past for his state. We all must ...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 03-22-2018, 06:42 AM
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Posted By Igzy
Re: Apostles in The Church: Yesterday and Today

Depends on the age and experience of the people involved. The LCM indoctrinates young people and children.

Either way that doesn't get the deceivers off the hook. They are culpable too.
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Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 03-21-2018, 08:09 PM
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Views: 1,360
Posted By Igzy
Re: I Left the Church 3 Years ago after Fighting with Depression

It's a judgment call, Bradley. The gif obviously was emphasizing a certain movement of the woman which was, um, striking. My thought about it was, wow! what an amazing God we have to create such...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 03-21-2018, 07:58 PM
Replies: 239
Views: 3,518
Posted By Igzy
Re: Apostles in The Church: Yesterday and Today

You admitted people have been hurt. So what hurt them? Obviously some malfunction in the LCM. Well, what was that? What was the malfunction that hurt them? My contention is it is rooted in the...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 03-21-2018, 07:32 PM
Replies: 239
Views: 3,518
Posted By Igzy
Re: Apostles in The Church: Yesterday and Today

You mean those same beliefs that hurt the people you claim to respect?
Forum: Apologetic discussions 03-21-2018, 06:39 PM
Replies: 239
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Posted By Igzy
Re: Apostles in The Church: Yesterday and Today

Drake, here's the bottom line. Until you start showing some concern for the people who have been hurt by this movement, I don't give a flying flip about what you believe.
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 03-21-2018, 06:29 PM
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Views: 1,360
Posted By Igzy
Re: I Left the Church 3 Years ago after Fighting with Depression

Here's what I tell my boys: Invite God into everything you do. Be as driven and as proactive and as aggressive and as passionate as you want to be to go after your dreams. Really go for them. Lay it...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 03-21-2018, 05:53 PM
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Posted By Igzy
Re: Apostles in The Church: Yesterday and Today

Until you start respecting people who have been hurt by the LCM don't expect me to respect you.

God said "I will have mercy on them that show mercy." You are merciless to those people. Why do you...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 03-21-2018, 03:42 PM
Replies: 30
Views: 1,360
Posted By Igzy
Re: I Left the Church 3 Years ago after Fighting with Depression

Why should they be mutually exclusive? I think you got the wrong idea from my post. I never suggested you not work on yourself. I never suggested you be passive. I just said be at peace and trust...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 03-21-2018, 01:40 PM
Replies: 239
Views: 3,518
Posted By Igzy
Re: Apostles in The Church: Yesterday and Today

Well, then I'm going to ignore your experience, including any experience you've had of coming to understanding of the truth. Including any experience of logic and reasoning you've had. Live in your...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 03-21-2018, 11:47 AM
Replies: 239
Views: 3,518
Posted By Igzy
Re: Apostles in The Church: Yesterday and Today

And I will point out when you are interpreting scripture in a vacuum, and not adequately examining the fruit of fringe doctrines whose validity is far from certain, particular ones that subject...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 03-21-2018, 10:43 AM
Replies: 239
Views: 3,518
Posted By Igzy
Re: Apostles in The Church: Yesterday and Today

Drake,

Not to put too fine a point on it, but this is baloney.

Yes, I realize you would like everyone to pretend, as you do, that nothing bad ever happened in the LCM and so such facts should...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 03-20-2018, 05:53 PM
Replies: 30
Views: 1,360
Posted By Igzy
Re: I Left the Church 3 Years ago after Fighting with Depression

Hey Bradley,

I like the video. Sexuality is an amazingly powerful thing, isn't it?

I don't know much about you. I don't know if you are average looking, handsome or otherwise. I don't want...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 03-20-2018, 04:35 PM
Replies: 239
Views: 3,518
Posted By Igzy
Re: Apostles in The Church: Yesterday and Today

Metaphysically our life cannot but be based on experience, because all our cognition comes through some kind of experience. Our realization of things is always affected by who and what we are.
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Forum: Apologetic discussions 03-20-2018, 04:02 PM
Replies: 239
Views: 3,518
Posted By Igzy
Re: Apostles in The Church: Yesterday and Today

I do know that. But you cannot possibly know what it means for Jesus to be way, truth and life without a certain amount of life experience. Also, without experiencing the Holy Spirit teaching you...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 03-20-2018, 01:35 PM
Replies: 239
Views: 3,518
Posted By Igzy
Re: Apostles in The Church: Yesterday and Today

Okay, so let's just call them "sent ones" so we won't confuse them with Peter, James, John and Paul, and slide down the slippery slope until, surprise!, we have a MOTA and a Pope again.

PLEASE...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 03-20-2018, 01:21 PM
Replies: 239
Views: 3,518
Posted By Igzy
Re: Apostles in The Church: Yesterday and Today

This is true whether you want it to be or not. Cannot be avoided. You believe the things you do largely because of the type of person you are. We all do. That's why the Bible doesn't tell us to...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 03-20-2018, 11:30 AM
Replies: 239
Views: 3,518
Posted By Igzy
Re: Apostles in The Church: Yesterday and Today

I believe experience and perspective, both personally and historically, are critical to Biblical interpretation. I don't believe Scripture should be interpreted in a vacuum. I believe the lessons of...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 03-20-2018, 10:33 AM
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Views: 3,518
Posted By Igzy
Re: Apostles in The Church: Yesterday and Today

Oh, I'm having fun with you for sure.

Again, the LCM view of apostleship is a fringe, tiny minority view. I stand by that statement. That was my central point which is not a fallacy and which...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 03-20-2018, 10:01 AM
Replies: 239
Views: 3,518
Posted By Igzy
Re: Apostles in The Church: Yesterday and Today

Like I said, you appealed to a red herring. I think intelligent people can realize the LCM's view of apostleship is in the tiny minority. Describing it as 1% is probably very generous. It's...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 03-20-2018, 08:22 AM
Replies: 239
Views: 3,518
Posted By Igzy
Re: Apostles in The Church: Yesterday and Today

Where did Paul specifically say he never claimed "apostolic authority?"

The reason I push against the idea that the Apostolic gift still exists is:

(1) We can't even agree what it consists of....
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