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Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 10-11-2019, 01:42 PM
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Posted By OBW
Re: Hiding History

I can agree. But I also recognize that a government of the people will necessarily respond to the majority. It is through reliance on the decency of people that the majority doesn't just jail...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 10-11-2019, 01:31 PM
Replies: 137
Views: 3,708
Posted By OBW
Re: Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

And it should be evident that he was taking care to stop anyone from pointing at his egregious behavior again by returning from his relatively brief exile in the 1940s (at the invitation of Lee) to...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 10-09-2019, 09:42 AM
Replies: 21
Views: 968
Posted By OBW
Re: Pulled in Two Directions

Somone else can fill in the gaps. But my understanding is that The Spiritual Man is borderline (actual?) plagiarism. He said no one else could see what he saw. But he took almost everything from one...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 10-09-2019, 09:38 AM
Replies: 4
Views: 73
Posted By OBW
Re: How was Bible inspired?

First, there is at least one non-Jew in the writers . . . Luke. But at least part of his writing is repeating of accounts he did not personally observe (accounts provided by Jewish men . . . and...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 10-09-2019, 09:00 AM
Replies: 13
Views: 411
Posted By OBW
Re: The Pros vs "The Little Children" in Matthew 11

And further to your own post, we don't pick the good bits from Nee and Lee because there is danger that we will find them to be tainted by their leaven and therefore suspect as to whether they are,...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 10-09-2019, 08:56 AM
Replies: 4
Views: 200
Posted By OBW
Re: 1 John 2:27 versus following "The Ministry" in "The Lord`s Recovery" to

There is something about these verses that is profound and strengthening, and at the same time troubling.

What is troubling to me about them is the propensity for some to take them as evidence...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 10-09-2019, 08:40 AM
Replies: 21
Views: 968
Posted By OBW
Re: Pulled in Two Directions

There was a thread here some years back concerning the observations of, and accounts provided to, a woman who was in the church in Shanghai for some years up to the time of Nee's trial in China....
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 10-07-2019, 06:15 PM
Replies: 21
Views: 968
Posted By OBW
Re: Pulled in Two Directions

You cover a lot of specifics. And there will never be a significant Christian teacher fully legitimate, marginal, or out-and-out sharlatan that does not teach some true things.

But the...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 10-04-2019, 08:31 AM
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Views: 249,333
Posted By OBW
Re: Politics and the Church

While we typically compel the young to recite the pledge at least periodically (it was not daily in my youth, but at times), we require it somewhat as part of the oath an alien must recite to become...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 10-03-2019, 01:06 PM
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Views: 249,333
Posted By OBW
Re: Politics and the Church

You are completely missing my point. I am not saying that we should not pledge allegiance to our country. I did not call our country evil. I merely stated (indirectly) that it is part of the kingdom...
Forum: Blogosphere @ LocalChurchDiscussions 10-01-2019, 08:46 AM
Replies: 79
Views: 50,061
Posted By OBW
If Necessary, Use Words

Always preach the gospel; if necessary, use words. Attributed to Francis of Assisi. And someone recently suggested he might not have ever actually said it. Said he was more like a street-corner...
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 10-01-2019, 07:41 AM
Replies: 81
Views: 5,038
Posted By OBW
Re: YouTube Channel Discusses the Local Church

And since it was probably never reported on tax returns (a presumption) it was also likely a little bit of a money laundering scheme.
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 10-01-2019, 07:37 AM
Replies: 27
Views: 1,225
Posted By OBW
Re: Sad Funny Ridiculous

Even without the LC, Christianity has often managed to be out-of-sync with the society around it. Now I realize that we are not to be part of the world, but to the extent that it is not a truly...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 10-01-2019, 05:47 AM
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Views: 249,333
Posted By OBW
Re: Politics and the Church

Did you intentionally misunderstand my post? You are surely talking about something entirely different than what you quoted from me. Sort of like a politician who is asked a question on one thing,...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 10-01-2019, 05:26 AM
Replies: 27
Views: 1,225
Posted By OBW
Re: Sad Funny Ridiculous

Back in the 70s, it was "white shirt, skinny tie, briefcase, and wingtip shoes."
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 10-01-2019, 05:17 AM
Replies: 146
Views: 2,475
Posted By OBW
Re: 1,000 Years of Outer Darkness

CMW,

I would be a little careful with seeing Jews v Gentiles in the NT writings from the standpoint of "not written to me." I realize that Paul was heavily providing an underpinning to people who...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 09-30-2019, 02:29 PM
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Views: 249,333
Posted By OBW
Re: Politics and the Church

I agree with you on both parts. I love my country. It is far from perfect, but hard to beat.

But can it be taken too far? I'm sure it can. When we start singing to the country as part of our...
Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice 09-30-2019, 02:21 PM
Replies: 40
Views: 1,720
Posted By OBW
Re: Pray-Reading is Scriptural

This is the part that baffled me. We are supposedly going to get the best from the Word by chopping it into disjointed words, losing the entirety of what the passage says in the process. This takes...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 09-30-2019, 02:12 PM
Replies: 146
Views: 2,475
Posted By OBW
Re: 1,000 Years of Outer Darkness

First, this is off-topic, but relevant to this one as well as a lot of other things. I caught this in something CMW was saying about something else. . . .

I think that this is true in many more...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 09-28-2019, 11:30 AM
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Views: 249,333
Posted By OBW
Re: Politics and the Church

I agree that arguing over politics is a minor thing.

But when we come to worship, bringing anything to which we "pledge allegiance to" other than God is a problem. The church, especially at...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 09-26-2019, 09:20 AM
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Views: 249,333
Posted By OBW
Re: Politics and the Church

Worse than political parties becoming religious is churches becoming political. I am on the verge of emailing our pastor to consider removing the American flag from the sanctuary. Seems too much like...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 09-26-2019, 09:13 AM
Replies: 146
Views: 2,475
Posted By OBW
Re: 1,000 Years of Outer Darkness

This whole disconnect with dying and being immediately with Christ v raising from the dead at his 2nd coming has always perplexed me.

I know that some say that our time with him before that day is...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 09-25-2019, 05:50 PM
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Views: 249,333
Posted By OBW
Re: Politics and the Church

Many years ago (early 2000s) I began to get disenchanted with the pundits that otherwise spoke the things I "believed" in. They became more and more mean-spirited. Nastier and nastier. I stopped...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 09-25-2019, 05:37 PM
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Views: 249,333
Posted By OBW
Re: Politics and the Church

Not going to bother. I like you too much to get into a detailed political debate with you. The truth is that politics, from both sides, is full of problems. And full of hope and promise. Neither side...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 09-25-2019, 05:33 PM
Replies: 28
Views: 2,485
Posted By OBW
Re: How do you leave without making a scene?

While I would always include prayer, I do not think that we are discussing something for which a fleece left outside overnight is required. I hate to say it, but sometimes our constant need to have...
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