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Forum: Apologetic discussions Today, 06:28 AM
Replies: 242
Views: 16,471
Posted By aron
Re: Lee's Trinity

I was trying to address this in my last post (#242) but was "enjoying a verse" from Psalm 119 and got side-tracked. So I'll tag an addendum.

It's a lot believing into God; then, we believe in the...
Forum: Apologetic discussions Today, 02:31 AM
Replies: 242
Views: 16,471
Posted By aron
Re: Lee's Trinity

Psalm 119:88 "In your unfailing love preserve my life, that I may obey the statutes of your mouth". What I see in scripture is the Son of Man receiving the words of the Heavenly Father. The Son...
Forum: Apologetic discussions Yesterday, 04:50 AM
Replies: 242
Views: 16,471
Posted By aron
Re: Lee's Trinity

You'll have to bear with me, but I've been communicating with other humans for all my life and have built up patterns and understandings that are hard to shake at this point. If I'm speaking with...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 03-19-2019, 09:53 AM
Replies: 242
Views: 16,471
Posted By aron
Re: Lee's Trinity

In my previous post I was combining issues because they seem related: WL held that there are no distinctions in the Godhead but that "the Father" means "the Son" means "the Spirit"; similarly that...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 03-19-2019, 07:17 AM
Replies: 242
Views: 16,471
Posted By aron
Re: Lee's Trinity

There is a verse that says, "The voice of the LORD divideth the flames of fire" Psa 29:7 KJV

God divides, and it's okay. There are seven distinct flames sitting before God. Moses saw them on the...
Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice 03-18-2019, 02:10 PM
Replies: 314
Views: 29,434
Posted By aron
Re: One Church - One City - Biblical?

"Get the feeling of the Body" really means, "check with HQ." But you can't say the latter because it doesn't sound very mystical does it? Plus, there is supposedly no hierarchy so there can be no HQ....
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 03-18-2019, 08:06 AM
Replies: 50
Views: 5,045
Posted By aron
Re: New Comic Strip -- MOTA

Re: Strip #24, panel 3

It is probably significant that the letters were addressed to the angel of the church in that city. Not to the elders or to the church in general. And yes it does trump the...
Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice 03-17-2019, 03:51 PM
Replies: 314
Views: 29,434
Posted By aron
Re: One Church - One City - Biblical?

Back in the day, I was in a meeting where the ministry mouthpiece did what was supposed to be a mic drop. They asked rhetorically, "If God was going to send a letter to a church in [the city] today,...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 03-16-2019, 07:45 AM
Replies: 11
Views: 2,414
Posted By aron
Re: I was born into the LC in the Cleveland area. Now 22

I may be too much in my own mind (always a danger). But I've come to believe that a chief peril of the modern religious sentiment is to make people believe that subjective experience is a stand-in...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 03-15-2019, 02:19 PM
Replies: 11
Views: 2,414
Posted By aron
Re: I was born into the LC in the Cleveland area. Now 22

Jesus knew exactly where he was. He wasn't lost. We are the ones who went astray.

Jesus prayed what he did so that scripture might be fulfilled. "It is written".

But it really doesn't matter....
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 03-15-2019, 06:52 AM
Replies: 11
Views: 2,414
Posted By aron
Re: I was born into the LC in the Cleveland area. Now 22

Finding God is a challenge at best, and the world would be a better place if it were easier. But it's not.

The answer for me today is that Jesus Christ found the Father. Adam lost the Father and...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 03-15-2019, 02:45 AM
Replies: 11
Views: 2,414
Posted By aron
Re: I was born into the LC in the Cleveland area. Now 22

I suppose many of us are like myself, wishing that we had some immutable truth, some lodestone, some sure guide that we grasp firmly at some moment in time and never let go. Smooth sailing from then...
Forum: Spiritual Abuse Titles 03-14-2019, 02:53 AM
Replies: 414
Views: 18,324
Posted By aron
Re: Whistleblower

In the LC we were told to "take Christ as our person", but instead we got a persona, an act, covering a man-made system that invited abuse, up to and including sexual abuse. Everything was for the...
Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice 03-12-2019, 02:50 AM
Replies: 80
Views: 1,433
Posted By aron
Re: Lee and LC: Home Runs and Strikeouts

In a similar vein, I realised some years after leaving the LC that the phrase, "He who loses his soul-life will gain it" implies that one initially had a soul-life to lose. But in the LC, soul-lives...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 03-12-2019, 02:39 AM
Replies: 90
Views: 63,975
Posted By aron
Re: 106 things not many Christians know (but Witness Lee knows)

The people are for the church, the church is for the ministry, and the ministry is for the minister- that's how the LC runs. It is a fallen "spiritual giant" that consumes everything until the cry...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 03-08-2019, 02:35 AM
Replies: 8
Views: 453
Posted By aron
Re: Pledge of Allegiance to Witness Lee

The phrase "complete lack of distinction from each other" articulates what I found wrong about the idea, without the rancor. We may tend toward uncharitable language when confronted with something so...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 03-07-2019, 03:58 PM
Replies: 8
Views: 453
Posted By aron
Re: Pledge of Allegiance to Witness Lee

Right - who got earthly glory & who got earthly shame. Jesus taught that those who sought the glory of men would not get it from God.

WL's defenders may say I'm picking on his terms, and that he...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 03-07-2019, 12:58 PM
Replies: 8
Views: 453
Posted By aron
Re: Pledge of Allegiance to Witness Lee

There are so many things wrong with this letter. Start with the fact that it even exists.

But let's delineate.

1. "all differences", as in "We repudiate all differences" - what does that mean?...
Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice 03-05-2019, 01:47 PM
Replies: 164
Views: 12,976
Posted By aron
Re: Major Errors of Witness Lee’s Teaching (Nothing against the “person”)

I write a lot, but also agree with the "don't overthink it" school. I write because I enjoy writing, not because I alone have the truth and I'm endeavouring to bludgeon a recalcitrant world into...
Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice 03-05-2019, 02:42 AM
Replies: 164
Views: 12,976
Posted By aron
Re: Major Errors of Witness Lee’s Teaching (Nothing against the “person”)

One thing that helped me was a commentary which showed that people gave their children names with "God" in them. That does not, of course, mean that the child is God, or has the attributes of the...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 03-04-2019, 02:48 AM
Replies: 35
Views: 1,040
Posted By aron
Re: Minoru Chen: "Growth in The Local Church in USA flat since 1985"

The other thing to consider in the flat growth situation is this: people are promised transforming experience. They will ''masticate God" and "assimilate God metabolically". Eventually they will...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 03-03-2019, 08:37 AM
Replies: 48
Views: 5,338
Posted By aron
Re: Today's Jerusalem for Christians

I will bold some sections below:


What about the possibility of the New Jerusalem as thematic apposition or counterweight to "the nations" or "the Gentiles"? In the NJ we see evidence of the 12...
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 03-01-2019, 07:07 AM
Replies: 50
Views: 5,045
Posted By aron
Re: New Comic Strip -- MOTA

Re: "If you want to have a discussion, you have to use language I can understand"

In the LC this is called "the vision". In order to participate in the discussion you have to have the vision....
Forum: Spiritual Abuse Titles 03-01-2019, 06:55 AM
Replies: 23
Views: 7,340
Posted By aron
Re: What about the Children?

The world is arguably a mess. War, violence, corruption, greed, selfishness, disease, famine, natural disasters, sickness and death. Why shouldn't the young people question it? How is that somehow...
Forum: Writings and Concerns of Steve Isitt 02-28-2019, 07:58 AM
Replies: 56
Views: 14,673
Posted By aron
Re: Deputy Authority and the Ground of Oneness

Also read Samuel Chang's comments in Post #54, as well as what happened in the 1950s in the Orient, before Lee came to USA. The "Allegiance Document" of 1986 has to paper over the cracks caused by...
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