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Forum: Papers by various 11-08-2012, 12:25 PM
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Posted By Cal
Re: heaven

Near-death stories about seeing heaven don't do much for me because they are unverifiable and they don't add anything to my faith. I'm going to believe in heaven whether I hear them or not.

I...
Forum: Papers by various 11-05-2012, 11:06 AM
Replies: 175
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Posted By Cal
Re: heaven

Suit yourself. But if you want to actually be read, write shorter. Trust me on that one. I know what I'm talking about.
Forum: Papers by various 11-05-2012, 09:33 AM
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Views: 103,072
Posted By Cal
Re: heaven

And Paul seems to equate paradise and heaven here in 2 Corinthians 12.

I know a man in Christ, fourteen years ago, (whether in the body I know not, or out of the body I know not, God knows) such...
Forum: Papers by various 11-05-2012, 08:15 AM
Replies: 175
Views: 103,072
Posted By Cal
Re: heaven

Very well stated, OBW. And in only 378 words! I am indeed impressed. :thumbup:
Forum: Papers by various 11-05-2012, 07:39 AM
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Posted By Cal
Re: heaven

ZNP and aron,

I understand the need to "rightly divide the word of truth." What I think really happens in the Church at large is that there is so much potential and realized disagreement on the...
Forum: Papers by various 11-05-2012, 04:51 AM
Replies: 175
Views: 103,072
Posted By Cal
Re: heaven

ZNP,

Technically you have a point. But here's the thing. Most Christians don't care about those kinds of detailed distinctions for two reasons:


They are hard to confirm.
They don't affect...
Forum: Papers by various 11-04-2012, 04:52 AM
Replies: 175
Views: 103,072
Posted By Cal
Re: A final thought

I just got around to reading this post of aron's, and I'd recommend everyone read it. It's short, to the point and readable (:D); and in its own way it sums up what's wrong with the LRC system--that...
Forum: Papers by various 11-02-2012, 06:06 AM
Replies: 175
Views: 103,072
Posted By Cal
Re: On the Positive Side

^^^^^ :thumbup: ^^^^^
Forum: Papers by various 11-01-2012, 05:18 PM
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Views: 103,072
Posted By Cal
Re: Andy Anderson on the "Overcomers"

That's right. Prayer leads you to your own unique knowing of the Lord. And that's how you get the "new name, which no one knows but him who receives it." (Rev 2:17).

Being a Lee clone doesn't...
Forum: Papers by various 11-01-2012, 01:55 PM
Replies: 175
Views: 103,072
Posted By Cal
Re: Andy Anderson on the "Overcomers"

Here's my challenge to you, Cassidy. Spend 10 minutes a day for the next 60 days praying sincerely and openly to the Lord that he would make you clear about Lee and his teachings and your...
Forum: Papers by various 11-01-2012, 01:40 PM
Replies: 175
Views: 103,072
Posted By Cal
Re: Andy Anderson on the "Overcomers"

Your problem plain and simple, Cassidy, is that you can't accept the possibility that you might be wrong. So when someone challenges your beliefs too effectively you go into a shell and either say...
Forum: Papers by various 11-01-2012, 01:21 PM
Replies: 175
Views: 103,072
Posted By Cal
Re: Andy Anderson on the "Overcomers"

Lee equated growth with rapture and rapture with overcoming and overcoming with reward. He said you wouldn't be raptured until you were mature. His justification of this is that the rapture was a...
Forum: Papers by various 11-01-2012, 01:12 PM
Replies: 175
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Posted By Cal
Re: Andy Anderson on the "Overcomers"

This is such old news. You haven't been in evangelical Christianity for decades, obviously. The idea of the need to be faithful and being answerable to the Lord is everywhere. And you don't need...
Forum: Papers by various 11-01-2012, 01:01 PM
Replies: 175
Views: 103,072
Posted By Cal
Re: Andy Anderson on the "Overcomers"

I know what you mean. Dealing with Cassidy is about as intellectually satisfying as trying to get a square peg into a round hole. It always starts out promising, but always comes back to statements...
Forum: Papers by various 11-01-2012, 12:46 PM
Replies: 175
Views: 103,072
Posted By Cal
Re: Andy Anderson on the "Overcomers"

Right. But the point is he doesn't tie up the loose ends. He just ignores them.

I mean, I've been trying to get you to address this matter of growth as overcoming and you keep ignoring it...
Forum: Papers by various 11-01-2012, 12:44 PM
Replies: 175
Views: 103,072
Posted By Cal
Re: Andy Anderson on the "Overcomers"

It could be true if you don't know what you are talking about.
Forum: Papers by various 11-01-2012, 12:17 PM
Replies: 175
Views: 103,072
Posted By Cal
Re: Andy Anderson on the "Overcomers"

Well, what do you think the thief meant? Do you think he had a clear understanding of Witness Lee's convoluted kingdom theology? Was that his point of reference? :lol: :wow:

Come on. Look at the...
Forum: Papers by various 11-01-2012, 11:58 AM
Replies: 175
Views: 103,072
Posted By Cal
Re: Andy Anderson on the "Overcomers"

So you are saying (positive) Paradise isn't part of God's kingdom? There is part of that place that isn't under God's rule?
Forum: Papers by various 11-01-2012, 11:57 AM
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Posted By Cal
Re: Andy Anderson on the "Overcomers"

When you start talking about kingdom punishment being a matter of paying a debt off, you are pretty much in the teaching of Purgatory.
Forum: Papers by various 11-01-2012, 11:47 AM
Replies: 175
Views: 103,072
Posted By Cal
Re: Andy Anderson on the "Overcomers"

But, Cassidy, you claimed Lee used this thief passage to address the matter of someone dying before being full grown. I still don't see that being addressed. Why would someone who didn't have time to...
Forum: Papers by various 11-01-2012, 11:33 AM
Replies: 175
Views: 103,072
Posted By Cal
Re: Andy Anderson on the "Overcomers"

The thief didn't ask to be in the kingdom. He asked to be remembered when the Lord came in his kingdom, i.e. returned from the dead as King. The Lord's answer is universally considered a positive...
Forum: Papers by various 11-01-2012, 09:42 AM
Replies: 175
Views: 103,072
Posted By Cal
Re: Andy Anderson on the "Overcomers"

But you are speculating that he didn't gain the kingdom. Just because the Lord said he would be in Paradise neither states nor implies that he would not receive the kingdom.

The fact is, the...
Forum: Papers by various 11-01-2012, 08:53 AM
Replies: 175
Views: 103,072
Posted By Cal
Re: Andy Anderson on the "Overcomers"

So if the thief would have somehow survived the crucifixion and gone on to live awhile he could have qualified for reward?

How long would he have had to live to have a chance to get into the...
Forum: Papers by various 11-01-2012, 08:07 AM
Replies: 175
Views: 103,072
Posted By Cal
Re: Andy Anderson on the "Overcomers"

So, in other words you are saying that the way Lee addressed the issue was to say that those who die before getting a chance to grow will miss out on the kingdom reward? Is that your point?
Forum: Papers by various 11-01-2012, 07:36 AM
Replies: 175
Views: 103,072
Posted By Cal
Re: Andy Anderson on the "Overcomers"

So what did the thief do to earn the kingdom reward?
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