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Forum: Papers by various 11-12-2012, 02:45 PM
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Posted By OBW
Re: heaven

I don't particularly have a quibble with anyone thinking in the way that you do as laid out in your response. But you provide it as if the verses you supply answers the question and makes your answer...
Forum: Papers by various 11-12-2012, 09:51 AM
Replies: 175
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Posted By OBW
Re: heaven

Wrong question. That is the best answer to your question.

The issue with Samuel speaking to Saul was not how it came to be.

Talk about missing the point. You are majoring on the periphery....
Forum: Papers by various 11-12-2012, 09:44 AM
Replies: 175
Views: 103,069
Posted By OBW
Re: Andy Anderson on the "Overcomers"

A few posts back, MacDuff probably said some of what I would say better than I would. I will not say that I agree with him on some of his positions. And I surely would not simply take the Catholic...
Forum: Papers by various 11-12-2012, 08:55 AM
Replies: 175
Views: 103,069
Posted By OBW
Re: heaven

Did I somehow say something different from this?

Please tell me where I did. Anyone?

This has been my point. This is a simple statement. It is (arguably) right there in the scripture. (I say...
Forum: Papers by various 11-12-2012, 08:45 AM
Replies: 175
Views: 103,069
Posted By OBW
Re: heaven

I'll respond to just this one and you might understand me better and be able to presume how I think concerning the others.
Because, whether we are immediately brought into the presence of Christ,...
Forum: Papers by various 11-12-2012, 08:33 AM
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Views: 103,069
Posted By OBW
Re: heaven

THe answer to your opening question is "yes."

What you have demonstrated is that there are several references that somewhat fit together, and somewhat confuse one another. At least as long as the...
Forum: Papers by various 11-12-2012, 08:14 AM
Replies: 175
Views: 103,069
Posted By OBW
Re: heaven

You don't have to have the details of what happens after death to refute reincarnation. "It is appointed unto man once to die; after that the judgment." (somewhat paraphrased) The problem is that...
Forum: Papers by various 11-09-2012, 11:29 AM
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Views: 103,069
Posted By OBW
Re: heaven

There is something to be said for considering what is reward and what is (or might be) punishment for those who are actually "in."

The thing is that we don't need paradise or heaven defined to...
Forum: Papers by various 11-09-2012, 09:38 AM
Replies: 175
Views: 103,069
Posted By OBW
Re: heaven

That is somewhat incorrect. I believe that you could refute them by showing that no one but yourself is responsible for your destiny. It cannot be bought by anyone, including yourself. And once you...
Forum: Papers by various 11-09-2012, 08:38 AM
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Posted By OBW
Re: How did heaven begin?

And the point was missed. (Maybe I needed a few more words.)

1,000 years is not too small to measure.

The amount of ink given to the 1,000 years in scripture is, when dealing in percentages,...
Forum: Papers by various 11-08-2012, 03:19 PM
Replies: 175
Views: 103,069
Posted By OBW
Re: heaven

Except for the note. :scratchhead: :D

And your response should be: :duck: (at me)
Forum: Papers by various 11-08-2012, 01:26 PM
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Posted By OBW
Re: heaven

Three things.

First. If "Jesus is in heaven and we are going to be with Him," then either we actually do go to heaven to be with Him now, or we will eventually be with Him wherever he is after...
Forum: Papers by various 11-08-2012, 11:13 AM
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Posted By OBW
Re: heaven

I assume that the pictures you are referring to are not the "traditional" ones with fair skin and blue eyes.

Sorry, couldn't resist. I'm sure that they aren't.
Forum: Papers by various 11-08-2012, 11:09 AM
Replies: 175
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Posted By OBW
Re: heaven

I recall someone in the mid 70s who told of attending a weekend training (not LRC) designed to teach about the issues surrounding demon and Satan worship. One of the "teachers" had obtained some kind...
Forum: Papers by various 11-08-2012, 10:49 AM
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Views: 103,069
Posted By OBW
Re: heaven

There is much in the Bible that does not require the kind of detailed understanding that you (and so many others) are wanting.

Do we need to understand everything in this detailed way because...
Forum: Papers by various 11-07-2012, 09:13 AM
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Posted By OBW
Re: heaven

My understanding is that we really don't understand this very much. And no matter what we think we have come up with as "the way," it doesn't matter because if you are His, you go wherever it is that...
Forum: Papers by various 11-05-2012, 02:02 PM
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Views: 103,069
Posted By OBW
Re: Andy Anderson on the "Overcomers"

There may have been times in which the idea of going to a better place was enticing. But in a day and age (and environment) in which so many have so much, the enticement of a better place is just not...
Forum: Papers by various 11-05-2012, 11:24 AM
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Posted By OBW
Re: Andy Anderson on the "Overcomers"

(First, there are over 600 words in this one. Oh well.)

I know that heaven is not the topic of the thread, but at some level, the whole idea of being an overcomer in the context of Lee's theology...
Forum: Papers by various 11-05-2012, 10:52 AM
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Posted By OBW
Re: heaven

It's not going to work. I will write as I write. Sometimes in fewer words than in others. Words happen!
Forum: Papers by various 11-05-2012, 07:51 AM
Replies: 175
Views: 103,069
Posted By OBW
Re: heaven

At some level, the reference to "heaven" is correct. If you have a general understanding of "heaven" and "paradise" that is more likely the same or at least one a part of the other rather than...
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