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Forum: The Thread of Gold by Jane Carole Anderson Today, 05:58 PM
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Views: 11,419
Posted By aron
Re: New Jane Anderson Website

What were the supposed sins of those leading the so-called Sisters' Rebellion, and then how were those 'sins' different from the activities of those lauded as historical torchbearers of "the Lord's...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century Today, 07:57 AM
Replies: 31
Views: 641
Posted By aron
Re: Minoru Chen: "Growth in The Local Church in USA flat since 1985"

I'd like to focus on one particular "rebellion" as an example of what is at play here. The so-called "Sister's Rebellion". What was their crime? Drawing others unto themselves? Being "spiritual...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies Today, 03:48 AM
Replies: 30
Views: 1,509
Posted By aron
Re: My experience as a church kid: Why I want out

There's a scene on the mountain that John remembers later, "We beheld his glory, as of the only Son of the Father" (1:14). Then, 2 Peter 1 agrees: "For we did not follow cleverly devised stories when...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century Yesterday, 03:47 AM
Replies: 31
Views: 641
Posted By aron
Re: Minoru Chen: "Growth in The Local Church in USA flat since 1985"

I agree. Fear has a great holding power. Fear of ostracism, fear of shaming, fear of the unknown - "Religious Babylon" waits outside the LC. Shall we review it again? Fallen, devilish, satanic...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread Yesterday, 03:41 AM
Replies: 56
Views: 410
Posted By aron
Re: How do you know God cares?

Maybe you're trying to put something divine in your bucket but you don't have a bucket. Maybe you're trying to feel God's care within the LC paradigm. Maybe God is waiting for a new bucket, a new...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 02-19-2019, 05:46 PM
Replies: 15
Views: 117
Posted By aron
Re: What is The Word?

This is admirably well done. There's a lot I could add, but I'm not sure how much it would improve it.
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 02-19-2019, 08:22 AM
Replies: 56
Views: 410
Posted By aron
Re: How do you know God cares?

The moment I found faith to smile at a stranger, my life changed. I call that God. I found out that it takes just as much effort to frown as to smile.

"My yoke is easy, and my burden light". God...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 02-19-2019, 08:10 AM
Replies: 31
Views: 641
Posted By aron
Re: Minoru Chen: "Growth in The Local Church in USA flat since 1985"

Until the LC addresses its hidden history there will be little growth. Chinese family culture is strong, so the "ABC" second- and third-generation will remain to some extent. And new immigrants...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 02-19-2019, 04:18 AM
Replies: 31
Views: 641
Posted By aron
Re: Minoru Chen: "Growth in The Local Church in USA flat since 1985"

Two things LC apologists forget to mention in discussing their history of growth followed by non- growth. First, that Daystar was neither rebellion nor anti-cult attack but was 100% Witness Lee....
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 02-18-2019, 11:43 AM
Replies: 56
Views: 410
Posted By aron
Re: How do you know God cares?

It was sort of a random act of kindness on my part, to smile and say hello, because there was no reason to smile, especially because my life was trending sharply downward at the point, and it had...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 02-17-2019, 05:51 PM
Replies: 56
Views: 410
Posted By aron
Re: How do you know God cares?

What helped me the most was to know God as those who wrote the NT knew God (or 'were known by God' - Gal 4:9; cf 1 Cor 8:3), thus I can't say that I know God, but rather have begun to appreciate how...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 02-17-2019, 05:12 PM
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Views: 3,748
Posted By aron
Re: Feeling shame and learning to trust again after leaving the LCs

Consider a person from North Korea who just escaped. All their life they were told of the evil outside world. New York City, for instance, is supposedly full of heroin addicts, muggers and rapists....
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 02-17-2019, 04:51 PM
Replies: 31
Views: 641
Posted By aron
Re: Minoru Chen: "Growth in The Local Church in USA flat since 1985"

This estimate of numbers based on what? One of Witness Lee's messages? I remember one: "If you would each go out and blah-blah-blah, surely you would each gain two new ones within the next blah-blah....
Forum: Papers by various 02-17-2019, 04:29 PM
Replies: 6
Views: 172
Posted By aron
Layman's Fellowship

Recently came across a blog called "Layman's Fellowship", by someone who grew up in the Local Church of Witness Lee. It seems to be a work in progress, but what progress made thus far has some...
Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice 02-15-2019, 08:00 AM
Replies: 43
Views: 3,247
Posted By aron
Re: 'Ground of the Church'

The LC apologist says, "It is not a name, but a description". But that is fantasy. The term "local church" is not in any way a description of the assembled group. With them, non-local affiliation...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 02-14-2019, 03:58 PM
Replies: 555
Views: 146,618
Posted By aron
Re: The Asian Mind/The Western Mind

I don't know how many of the new Sydney [Titus Chu] Church Christians I listed are recent immigrants from China, and how many are Australian-born Chinese. But I think that Witness Lee's statement...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 02-14-2019, 04:00 AM
Replies: 555
Views: 146,618
Posted By aron
Re: The Asian Mind/The Western Mind

I daresay there are also some LSM-affiliated believers in Sydney. But the very point of a local church has vanished, its ground. Its existence and identity are now tied to foreign affiliation, and...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 02-13-2019, 04:25 PM
Replies: 555
Views: 146,618
Posted By aron
Re: Cultural shift - paradigm shift?

Here's an excerpt from the recent (Feb 2019) newsletter of the Church in Sydney (Australia) affiliated with Titus Chu:And to show that this demographic constituency isn't a fluke, here's from their...
Forum: Writings of Former Members 02-12-2019, 05:38 PM
Replies: 8
Views: 1,809
Posted By aron
Re: important excerpts from Don Rutledge and Jane Anderson

The above confirms my earlier post on the issue of a minister abusing his authority in the church. Poor business decisions. Fraud. Money laundering. A supposed "investment" with promised "profits"...
Forum: Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes 02-12-2019, 10:58 AM
Replies: 132
Views: 48,507
Posted By aron
Re: Examining LSM's Eschatology - Revelation's 7 Churches TOMES

My interpretation is guided by a simple question: What would one expect this to mean to its first-century recipients? Remember that these were actual letters to actual people. Would we expect any of...
Forum: Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes 02-12-2019, 08:45 AM
Replies: 132
Views: 48,507
Posted By aron
Re: Examining LSM's Eschatology - Revelation's 7 Churches TOMES

What if Jesus is coming quickly to all 7, but 4 of them, having become somnolent, need to be reminded of this fact?
Forum: Polemic Writings of Nigel Tomes 02-12-2019, 03:37 AM
Replies: 132
Views: 48,507
Posted By aron
Re: Examining LSM's Eschatology - Revelation's 7 Churches TOMES

The letters to the 7 churches were universal, "to show his servants these things which must quickly take place". Each church was to read all the letters.

I see no indication in the text that folks...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 02-10-2019, 10:31 AM
Replies: 448
Views: 27,636
Posted By aron
Re: One Publication

I respectfully disagree on two fronts. First, one must figure out what happened to truly move on. It's like a relationship - the danger is that you break off an abusive one & simply enter another....
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 02-10-2019, 09:06 AM
Replies: 448
Views: 27,636
Posted By aron
Re: One Publication

Children in "local church" families don't have choice: they're born and they're inside, at least temporarily. Those who joined 35 or 50 years ago didn't know any better. The history of control was...
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 02-09-2019, 12:36 PM
Replies: 27
Views: 750
Posted By aron
Re: Recommended Christian Books, Authors, Blogs or Videos

One wonders how many in the group that stresses the "so subjective Christ" feel inner unease or disquiet as the man up on the dias talks of "great spiritual persons" and "spiritual giants". And just...
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