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Forum: Apologetic discussions 05-31-2018, 04:53 PM
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Posted By Jo S
Re: Christ or faith the Savior?

God bless you Evangelical. I'm finished here.
Forum: Apologetic discussions 05-31-2018, 12:49 PM
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Posted By Jo S
Re: Christ or faith the Savior?

Rather shouldn't you say, "Gill would say"? Evangelical, I see rather than deferring to commentators with links, you are now plagiarizing their ideas and putting them in writing....This reminds me of...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 05-31-2018, 08:59 AM
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Posted By Jo S
Testimony of Ex Local Church Member

This is great testimony of an ex local church member I'd thought I'd share with the forum in hopes that it may help someone out there.

As Posted at Jubilee Resources International ...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 05-30-2018, 02:17 PM
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Posted By Jo S
Re: Christ or faith the Savior?

It's because this is the central strategy religious and spiritual leaders use for defrauding people. All leaders that use this technique say the same things. They will say things like in the case of...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 05-28-2018, 11:51 PM
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Posted By Jo S
Re: Christ or faith the Savior?

The answer I've been looking for is; spiritual discernment.

Fruits are spiritual so of course they have to be discerned spiritually. The testing of the fruits through spiritual discernment can be...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 05-28-2018, 01:37 PM
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Posted By Jo S
Re: Christ or faith the Savior?

My argument isn't about testing other people, I'm asking how do you determine for yourself if through your mystical practices of "gaining Christ" you are experiencing the Holy Spirit and not a...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 05-28-2018, 12:54 AM
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Posted By Jo S
Re: Christ or faith the Savior?

I agree.

If the people that Paul is referring to in 1 Corinthians 11:4 were trying to give a false impression of the only one Jesus, it follows that they were still retaining the actual name of...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 05-27-2018, 08:26 PM
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Posted By Jo S
Re: Christ or faith the Savior?

How then would you interpret 2 Corinthians 11:4? What does Paul mean by "another Jesus"?
Forum: Apologetic discussions 05-27-2018, 07:02 PM
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Posted By Jo S
Re: Christ or faith the Savior?

"For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 05-27-2018, 04:20 PM
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Posted By Jo S
Re: Christ or faith the Savior?

So do the disciples of the Hindu yogi, Paramahansa Yogananda, however they do not call themselves Christians. They do not believe Jesus Christ is the one and only Messiah yet also call on or recite...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 05-27-2018, 09:36 AM
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Posted By Jo S
Re: Christ or faith the Savior?

If you want to take the intellectual approach, just take a look at the definitions and then do a comparison.

Chant or prayer?

"Oh, Lord Jesus"

chant
CHant/Submit
noun
1.
Forum: Apologetic discussions 05-26-2018, 03:53 PM
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Posted By Jo S
Re: Christ or faith the Savior?

This is actually the premise the gnostic Gospel of Judas presents as well. It would be a good topic to discuss.
Forum: Apologetic discussions 05-26-2018, 02:24 PM
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Posted By Jo S
Re: Christ or faith the Savior?

I agree and the extreme is turning the gaining of Christ into a work or practice such as chanting the Lord's name. This is certainly not the way to gain Christ.



It seems that the only thing...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 05-26-2018, 12:14 PM
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Posted By Jo S
Re: Christ or faith the Savior?

I agree that only John understood why Jesus told Judas that, but I was more curious on how you concluded Jesus was leaning on Judas. Maybe in was a typo...?
Forum: Apologetic discussions 05-26-2018, 10:51 AM
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Posted By Jo S
Re: Christ or faith the Savior?

The issue was you didn't do a critical examination of those verses, otherwise you'd have known the Greek term used for the only type of scriptural belief of demons (pisteuo) has multiple meanings...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 05-26-2018, 02:29 AM
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Posted By Jo S
Re: Christ or faith the Savior?

At that point I wasn't making a scriptural argument. Exegesis didn't apply. I shouldn't even have to say that.

I think it's at the point, Evangelical, where you are just arguing for the sake of...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 05-26-2018, 12:57 AM
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Posted By Jo S
Re: Latter Rain, Kingdom Now, & the Lord's Recovery

I appreciate the challenge, Evangelical. It's all I needed to hear from you on this topic.
Forum: Apologetic discussions 05-26-2018, 12:42 AM
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Posted By Jo S
Re: Christ or faith the Savior?

Using the whole of scripture to validate an interpretation is exegesis. What you do is use one verse and then proceed your own interpretation without having another verse to support that view. I used...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 05-25-2018, 11:14 PM
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Posted By Jo S
Re: Latter Rain, Kingdom Now, & the Lord's Recovery

You just said it; to "seize". Your argument actually validates mine. Here is the definition of seize;

seize
sēz/Submit
verb
1.
take hold of suddenly and forcibly.

To usurp is to forcefully...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 05-25-2018, 10:49 PM
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Posted By Jo S
Re: Christ or faith the Savior?

In order to correctly interpret scripture and use it for your argument, Evangelical, you have to first do proper exegesis rather than isolating a verse and making an entire argument from it like you...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 05-25-2018, 10:07 PM
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Posted By Jo S
Re: Christ or faith the Savior?

Ohio, can you please clarify how you reached this conclusion? The only words I see that were directed specifically at Judas were, “What you are about to do, do quickly.”

But then the next verse...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 05-25-2018, 09:52 PM
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Posted By Jo S
Re: Latter Rain, Kingdom Now, & the Lord's Recovery

"Usurp" means to take by force. The purpose of using this specific word by these movements (Witness Lee also chose to use this term) is to provoke an emotional response as a type of rally cry.
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Forum: Apologetic discussions 05-25-2018, 09:04 PM
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Posted By Jo S
Re: Christ or faith the Savior?

Again, you are equating a healing to a Christian's salvation by receiving of the Holy Spirit. Her action of touching him did not result in her spiritual salvation at that moment because the spirit...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 05-25-2018, 07:49 PM
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Posted By Jo S
Re: Christ or faith the Savior?

Judas didn't repent of unbelief. He repented for betraying innocent blood. The question is why didn't he know he was betraying innocent blood before receiving the silver? Did he know the Jewish...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 05-25-2018, 06:16 PM
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Posted By Jo S
Re: Christ or faith the Savior?

You could pray all your life or memorize the bible but salvation will never come through these things otherwise the Pharisees would have had nothing to worry about.

The error in your argument is...
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